Montgomery County - What Happened?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

You keep insisting that those who disagree with you are acting in "bad faith." This is an extremely poor debating technique because it signals that you don't want to have a real debate on the merits and instead want to just focus on motives.

Lots of people choose MoCo because they believe it is prettier (including me), and if you don't see that, it's fine -- you just have a different opinion. And if you think Gaithersburg, Rockville, and SS only have strip malls, then that just reveals that you haven't visited those areas -- including downtown Silver Spring, Rockville Town Square, Pike & Rose, Kentlands, Downtown Crown, and the Rio. We get it, you prefer Nova. But if you want to opine about MoCo, please make sure it's factual.

Trying to change the subject is acting in bad faith.

Reminder of the topic: Montgomery County had the highest median family income out of any county in America ...
Now it’s ranked 20th... What has changed since the 1980s and can it change course?

It's called MOCO is spending a ton of tax money to subsidize low income housing and encourage low income housing developments. Result is school ratings have gone downhill, crime increased relative to NOVA and taxes went up.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

You keep insisting that those who disagree with you are acting in "bad faith." This is an extremely poor debating technique because it signals that you don't want to have a real debate on the merits and instead want to just focus on motives.

Lots of people choose MoCo because they believe it is prettier (including me), and if you don't see that, it's fine -- you just have a different opinion. And if you think Gaithersburg, Rockville, and SS only have strip malls, then that just reveals that you haven't visited those areas -- including downtown Silver Spring, Rockville Town Square, Pike & Rose, Kentlands, Downtown Crown, and the Rio. We get it, you prefer Nova. But if you want to opine about MoCo, please make sure it's factual.

Trying to change the subject is acting in bad faith.

Reminder of the topic: Montgomery County had the highest median family income out of any county in America ...
Now it’s ranked 20th... What has changed since the 1980s and can it change course?

Well, one huge factor is the growth of military contractors in Virginia. Take out that one —huge, significant— piece and everything changes. As far as comparisons go, MoCo doesn’t have anything like Old Town , but Montgomery County also peaked earlier with factors that matter to me — like racially integrated neighborhoods and schools. I’ve been living here long enough to appreciate that. I also don’t see it as a competition. There are similarities and there are differences. Pick the best fit.

I'm also from moco and also don't see it as a competition. We all gain more from cooperation. For example we need an outerloop, or at least a connection across the Potomac further north. I think they should do a tunnel that connect rt 28 in MD to rt 28 in VA. We need a train out to BWI. And we need tax incentives for sci/tech. I don't think moco works as a bedroom community due to the geography of the Potomac river.

Huh? MARC and Amtrak both have BWI stops. Are you thinking Metro? A Virginia commuter train? Something else?

How would you suggest using MARC or Amtrak to get to BWI from MoCo?

Transfer at Union Station from the Red Line or take Purple Line to New Carrolton and transfer.

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Once again for the people in the back…

MoCo is on a different timeline than NoVa. You can’t compare two markets that are in vastly different stages of growth. Nova was empty land while MoCo was booming so of course Nova is still growing while Moco is maturing.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again for the people in the back…

MoCo is on a different timeline than NoVa. You can’t compare two markets that are in vastly different stages of growth. Nova was empty land while MoCo was booming so of course Nova is still growing while Moco is maturing.

NoVA isn't a monolith. For instance, Arlington and Alexandria are more mature than Fairfax County.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

Only if you still think of the dmv as beltway adjacent. It's not anymore. The center of Nova has moved past Tysons to Fairfax and is stretching out past Chantilly.

You're probably smirking about the "outerburbs" right now. But jokes on you because the dmv is becoming a dual city like Dallas-FtWorth or Raleigh-Durham. Moco is becoming the Tacoma of Seattle-Tacoma and the Oakland of San Francisco-Oakland.

It's so sad because it doesn't have to be that way. Moco has BWI and the route 200 toll road. It could easily encourage a sci/tech corridor if it just extended the metro out to BWI and gave some tax breaks to bring in jobs.

There are some parts of NoVa that are ugly but MD folks conveniently only talk about Bethesda, Chevy Chase, Potomac and Garrett Park / Kensington when talking about beauty, forgetting about most of suburban MD. Montgomery Village, Germantown, Rockville, Gaithersburg and most of PG County have no charm at all and don’t have the safety, amenities and overall quality of life that comparable places in VA have.

Del Ray, Old Town, Vienna, Falls Church City, Great Falls, McLean, and North Arlington have charming pockets as well.

These places you named in MD have more charms, characters than almost anything in VA.
Oh, let's not forget dumpy Manassas, Herndon and hoodbridge.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

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I notice people don't know how to drive in MOCO. They run stop signs, back up in parking lots and hit cars, make left turns from the right lane, and right turns from the left lane. They run red lights too. I notice the slow pokes are on their phones and not paying attention to their driving. I see side streets with cars that were rear ended over night. A lot of hit and runs.
I see some cars with expired tags, some cars with Virginia tags, and some cars with no tags.
I see some small pickup trucks overloaded with metals that aren't covered and blowing off the back of the truck in traffic. You complain to the police and they said they would have to ticket every car on the road. They also said the county doesn't back them up when they enforce the law,


Its really becoming a third world.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

Only if you still think of the dmv as beltway adjacent. It's not anymore. The center of Nova has moved past Tysons to Fairfax and is stretching out past Chantilly.

You're probably smirking about the "outerburbs" right now. But jokes on you because the dmv is becoming a dual city like Dallas-FtWorth or Raleigh-Durham. Moco is becoming the Tacoma of Seattle-Tacoma and the Oakland of San Francisco-Oakland.

It's so sad because it doesn't have to be that way. Moco has BWI and the route 200 toll road. It could easily encourage a sci/tech corridor if it just extended the metro out to BWI and gave some tax breaks to bring in jobs.

There are some parts of NoVa that are ugly but MD folks conveniently only talk about Bethesda, Chevy Chase, Potomac and Garrett Park / Kensington when talking about beauty, forgetting about most of suburban MD. Montgomery Village, Germantown, Rockville, Gaithersburg and most of PG County have no charm at all and don’t have the safety, amenities and overall quality of life that comparable places in VA have.

Del Ray, Old Town, Vienna, Falls Church City, Great Falls, McLean, and North Arlington have charming pockets as well.

These places you named in MD have more charms, characters than almost anything in VA.
Oh, let's not forget dumpy Manassas, Herndon and hoodbridge.

Montgomery Village has more charms and characters than Old Town Alexandria said no one ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again for the people in the back…

MoCo is on a different timeline than NoVa. You can’t compare two markets that are in vastly different stages of growth. Nova was empty land while MoCo was booming so of course Nova is still growing while Moco is maturing.

Old Town and Del Ray are as old as anything in Montgomery County. George Washington literally hung out in Alexandria for goodness sake and went to restaurants there that are still open today.

Established?! What are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again for the people in the back…

MoCo is on a different timeline than NoVa. You can’t compare two markets that are in vastly different stages of growth. Nova was empty land while MoCo was booming so of course Nova is still growing while Moco is maturing.

Old Town and Del Ray are as old as anything in Montgomery County. George Washington literally hung out in Alexandria for goodness sake and went to restaurants there that are still open today.

Established?! What are you talking about?

All the growth is NOT in Del Ray. It’s in Tysons. A place that didn’t exist 50 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

That's kind of funny. AI says this about Bethesda:

In Bethesda, Maryland, as of the 2020 census, the racial composition was approximately 69.5% White, 8.9% Hispanic or Latino, 4.9% Black or African American, 11.7% Asian, and 8.2% identified as two or more races. The area is known for its diversity, with a diversity score of 94 out of 100.

In this area, I wouldn't call those numbers particularly diverse, being well below national averages. Here's the city of Alexandria:

As of 2023, Alexandria, VA has a diverse population with the largest ethnic groups being White (Non-Hispanic) at 49.6%, Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) at 20.7%, and Hispanic individuals making up about 18.2% of the population. The city also includes Asian residents at 6.24% and those identifying as Two Races Including Other (Hispanic) at 7.26%.

In my ugly part of NoVA,

Mount Vernon, Virginia, has a diverse racial composition, with approximately 58.5% White, 16.9% Black or African American, 7.2% Asian, and 3.8% from other races as of 2025. The area also has a significant Hispanic population, making up about 18.2% of the residents.

Bethesda sure has the hype machine running about diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again for the people in the back…

MoCo is on a different timeline than NoVa. You can’t compare two markets that are in vastly different stages of growth. Nova was empty land while MoCo was booming so of course Nova is still growing while Moco is maturing.

Old Town and Del Ray are as old as anything in Montgomery County. George Washington literally hung out in Alexandria for goodness sake and went to restaurants there that are still open today.

Established?! What are you talking about?

All the growth is NOT in Del Ray. It’s in Tysons. A place that didn’t exist 50 years ago.

Have you been to Alexandria’s waterfront in the past 2 years or seen the transformation of Potomac Yards? Have you seen how nice it looks from the Arlington border on Route 1 to Old Town compared to 30 years ago? A new Metro station in Del Ray isn’t development? The entire Mt Vernon Ave strip becoming one of the nicest commercial strips in the area in the past 30 years isn’t development? The skyrises from King Street to Eisenhower Avenue Metro isn’t development?

These places are not even close to Tysons. And again, Alexandria was “established” in the 1700s when George Washington was walking around Old Town and Montgomery County barely even had farms.

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Anonymous wrote:I notice people don't know how to drive in MOCO. They run stop signs, back up in parking lots and hit cars, make left turns from the right lane, and right turns from the left lane. They run red lights too. I notice the slow pokes are on their phones and not paying attention to their driving. I see side streets with cars that were rear ended over night. A lot of hit and runs.
I see some cars with expired tags, some cars with Virginia tags, and some cars with no tags.
I see some small pickup trucks overloaded with metals that aren't covered and blowing off the back of the truck in traffic. You complain to the police and they said they would have to ticket every car on the road. They also said the county doesn't back them up when they enforce the law,


Its really becoming a third world.

Yes, all of Nova drivers are just great:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1p94l0x/everyone_brought_their_blocking_the_box_permit_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1pefohg/i_want_a_refund/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1pex1bz/headlights/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1pecb9k/accident_286_around_south_run/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1p95w46/police_know_they_need_to_be_directing_traffic_out/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1p98pko/i_hope_you_made_it_safe/