PVS Results files

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm interested in hearing from PVS officials that the only reason they won't post results files is because those files contain swimmer DOB. The board meeting minutes say PII, but we don't know if PVS is referring to DOB, or even DOB only, or something else they think is PII. If DOB only, sounds like easy fix: PVS mandate that results files can't contain DOB. If a file contains DOB, then PVS tells the meet host to remove DOB and resubmit the file.

easy money on the table for the take, if USAS wants to make different pricing tiers for swim times API; the free tier can start with X number of request per hour/throttling.

So it’s a money grab? People complain swimming is not accessible for many because of costs, between team fees, annual membership fees, both meet participant and event fees, heat sheet fees, $5 entry fees for parents along with a ‘convenience’ fee to go through the hassle of paying it online, now USA swimming wants everyone to pay to see our swimmers results?

Is any of that money going to officials that pay $100+ each year, out of pocket, and volunteer countless hours of their time to keep the sport going?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm interested in hearing from PVS officials that the only reason they won't post results files is because those files contain swimmer DOB. The board meeting minutes say PII, but we don't know if PVS is referring to DOB, or even DOB only, or something else they think is PII. If DOB only, sounds like easy fix: PVS mandate that results files can't contain DOB. If a file contains DOB, then PVS tells the meet host to remove DOB and resubmit the file.

Honestly, I think PVS thought they could just slide this through and didn’t realize that the impact on a legitimate recruiting tool like SwimCloud would get people’s attention. My swimmer also enjoys the other sites but rendering SwimCloud useless as they move into the recruiting area is a big blow and really hurts the PVS athletes.

If they would just send it to Swimcloud, my swimmers would chill. That is the one that has them very upset right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm interested in hearing from PVS officials that the only reason they won't post results files is because those files contain swimmer DOB. The board meeting minutes say PII, but we don't know if PVS is referring to DOB, or even DOB only, or something else they think is PII. If DOB only, sounds like easy fix: PVS mandate that results files can't contain DOB. If a file contains DOB, then PVS tells the meet host to remove DOB and resubmit the file.

easy money on the table for the take, if USAS wants to make different pricing tiers for swim times API; the free tier can start with X number of request per hour/throttling.

So it’s a money grab? People complain swimming is not accessible for many because of costs, between team fees, annual membership fees, both meet participant and event fees, heat sheet fees, $5 entry fees for parents along with a ‘convenience’ fee to go through the hassle of paying it online, now USA swimming wants everyone to pay to see our swimmers results?

Is any of that money going to officials that pay $100+ each year, out of pocket, and volunteer countless hours of their time to keep the sport going?

I'm not the PP, however, I think you misunderstand how API services that we take for granted work. Take Google Maps, for instance, for personal use there's no cost. But if you were to develop an app that uses all the facets of Google Maps (place search, reverse geocode, places of interest) and are going to hit those services n-times per period of time, then yes, Google requires you to have a billable account with them.

One can imagine a scenario where a free tier API service that USAS swimming offers maybe only allows results to go back one season in addition to the current season and/or you can look up only results with a single LSC, etc. etc. I don't know. My point is that there's a quite a few ways to structure a robust, free tier API service. Putting that aside, personally (and I have 2 teen swimmers), I'm sympathetic to all the arguments in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm interested in hearing from PVS officials that the only reason they won't post results files is because those files contain swimmer DOB. The board meeting minutes say PII, but we don't know if PVS is referring to DOB, or even DOB only, or something else they think is PII. If DOB only, sounds like easy fix: PVS mandate that results files can't contain DOB. If a file contains DOB, then PVS tells the meet host to remove DOB and resubmit the file.

easy money on the table for the take, if USAS wants to make different pricing tiers for swim times API; the free tier can start with X number of request per hour/throttling.

So it’s a money grab? People complain swimming is not accessible for many because of costs, between team fees, annual membership fees, both meet participant and event fees, heat sheet fees, $5 entry fees for parents along with a ‘convenience’ fee to go through the hassle of paying it online, now USA swimming wants everyone to pay to see our swimmers results?

Is any of that money going to officials that pay $100+ each year, out of pocket, and volunteer countless hours of their time to keep the sport going?

I'm not the PP, however, I think you misunderstand how API services that we take for granted work. Take Google Maps, for instance, for personal use there's no cost. But if you were to develop an app that uses all the facets of Google Maps (place search, reverse geocode, places of interest) and are going to hit those services n-times per period of time, then yes, Google requires you to have a billable account with them.

One can imagine a scenario where a free tier API service that USAS swimming offers maybe only allows results to go back one season in addition to the current season and/or you can look up only results with a single LSC, etc. etc. I don't know. My point is that there's a quite a few ways to structure a robust, free tier API service. Putting that aside, personally (and I have 2 teen swimmers), I'm sympathetic to all the arguments in this thread.

You don't think people will find work arounds for that, say creating 10 or 20+ accounts that they cycle through for different LSCs grabbing one or two meet results a day from each and by the end of a week, they have everything from the past weekend? USA Swimming has been combating swimmetry and others for years and with this, even more people are scraping their site and people share their techniques with each other.

Not sure you follow pokemon and other collectibles, but the bots that have been written are so sophisticated, that only the bad actors are able to get access and buy products and that is against companies that are worth $500++ billion like Costco and Walmart that have huge IT departments and budgets.

Make it open to the public and let the tools stand on their own, encouraging innovation, competition though 3rd party development, etc.

[Anonymous]

has anyone reached out to PVS directly to let them know this will affect recruiting on SwimCloud, which all coaches use?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:has anyone reached out to PVS directly to let them know this will affect recruiting on SwimCloud, which all coaches use?

I actually did and they basically said we put up the pdf and you need to reach out to your club to upload them to swimcloud because they get the file.

Great in theory but my club is an admin mess and barely posts results in our system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:has anyone reached out to PVS directly to let them know this will affect recruiting on SwimCloud, which all coaches use?

I actually did and they basically said we put up the pdf and you need to reach out to your club to upload them to swimcloud because they get the file.

Great in theory but my club is an admin mess and barely posts results in our system.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:has anyone reached out to PVS directly to let them know this will affect recruiting on SwimCloud, which all coaches use?

I actually did and they basically said we put up the pdf and you need to reach out to your club to upload them to swimcloud because they get the file.

Great in theory but my club is an admin mess and barely posts results in our system.

Thank you for reaching out! Disappointing response for sure.

[Anonymous]

This is so disappointing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so disappointing.

+1, if PVS is sanctioning the meet they should be the ones sending results files to Swimcloud. They are actively harming their elite athletes at the expense of 10 year old Larlo/Larla’s parents who are yelling about people being able to see their kid’s swim times on 3rd party sites, even though Meet Mobile and USAS already make those publicly available. Just like in summer swim, parents of the 10 and under set are beyond annoying and irrational.

[Anonymous]

Maybe we start a petition on change.org or something like that? If enough parents sign, maybe PVS will reconsider?

What prompted the change? Parental complaints?

[Anonymous]

Having results on swimcloud is a MUST for any HS athlete that wants to swim in college. Coaches use this as one of their main tools. PVS kids will start to get overlooked. This has long term damaging impacts. Athletes coaches parents need to be emailing calling asking etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The great PVS blackout of 2025-2026.

This is bad. Do these people think college coaches have the time to manually compare PVS swimmers against swimmers’ times they can just pull off a site? Then do the math to figure out where they sit nationally against their class? The answer is no. Swimcloud is nothing more than a tool to extract data for coaches to make baseline judgements to fill classes, and give our swimmers a realistic understanding of their standing.

Thanks PVS for making the recruiting process worst than it already has become. It shows your dedication to bend to the whims and irrationalaty of mediocrity. Make sure every swimmer gets a medal and ribbon going forward you don’t want to offend anyone.

[Anonymous]

Read p. 14 of the PVS August minutes. All laid out there. Protect PPI..............

[Anonymous]

Someone needs to tell Tom Ugast- he’ll get them to listen lok