High test score kids who didn't get in where they thought they would

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lesson: apply undecided arts & sciences


1000+, stay away from CS, engineering & business majors


1000+ study urban arts!


Troll. That’s not a major.
Find something else to do on a sat other than bumping up old posts.
Lame.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most high-scoring kids wind up at the major flagships (Michigan, Georgia, Purdue, Rutgers, etc.). There just aren’t that many seats at the elite privates, and many of them are reserved for wealthy/connected/athletic students.


There are only ~17,000 1570+ students per year.

T20 75 percentile cutoff line typically at 1570. 25% of T20 admits have 1570+.

~7000 1570+ go to T20.
~4000 1570+ other top private, SLACs, Stern, Ross, Georgetown, USC, etc.
~3000 1570+ to flagships, Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Georgia Tech, UNC, etc.
~3000 1570+ to merit (full or half tuition), Case Western, Grinell, Rochester, etc.


This is a huge underestimate. Much more than that got in a T20.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most high-scoring kids wind up at the major flagships (Michigan, Georgia, Purdue, Rutgers, etc.). There just aren’t that many seats at the elite privates, and many of them are reserved for wealthy/connected/athletic students.


There are only ~17,000 1570+ students per year.

T20 75 percentile cutoff line typically at 1570. 25% of T20 admits have 1570+.

~7000 1570+ go to T20.
~4000 1570+ other top private, SLACs, Stern, Ross, Georgetown, USC, etc.
~3000 1570+ to flagships, Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Georgia Tech, UNC, etc.
~3000 1570+ to merit (full or half tuition), Case Western, Grinell, Rochester, etc.


This is a huge underestimate. Much more than that got in a T20.


Cal and UCLA are T20 so there's that as well. . .
Anonymous
35 ACT and 3.7 UW GPA from a strong Boston private, average ECs, full pay girl - overshot ED, then did not get into any T 50 schools. Ended up at St Andrews
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:35 ACT and 3.7 UW GPA from a strong Boston private, average ECs, full pay girl - overshot ED, then did not get into any T 50 schools. Ended up at St Andrews


Yikes. Major?
Anonymous
Numbers alone won’t do it at the most highly-ranked schools. Maybe it’s time for parents to de-emphasize rankings, since the top schools with some exceptions are de-emphasizing stats? I know several kids with high 1500’s, perfect grades, great EC’s who didn’t get into a T-20. (Not my kid- my kid was not in that top stats pool and that probably made the process easier for them). I was shocked and disappointed for those top kids. Things are really screwed up if college admissions is less stressful and disappointing for not-top kids.
Anonymous
About 50% of 1500+ sat applicants go to a t20
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1kygeez/at_least_48_of_1500_sat_applicants_go_to_a_t20/
About 80% of 1540+ sat applicants go to a t20

University 1500+ Class size % who submitted SAT #1500+
Brown 75%+ 1700 61 778
Caltech 75%+ 200 79 119
Carnegie Mellon 75%+ 1800 53 716
Columbia 75%+ 1500 40 450
Cornell 75%+ 3500 45 1182
Dartmouth 50%+ 1200 43 258
Duke 75%+ 1700 47 599
Emory 25%+ 1400 42 147
Georgetown 25%+ 1600 78 312
Harvard 75%+ 1600 52 624
Johns Hopkins 75%+ 1400 50 525
MIT 75%+ 1100 83 685
Northwestern 75%+ 2100 50 788
Notre Dame 50%+ 2000 31 310
NYU 50%+ 5800 27 783
Princeton 75%+ 1400 56 588
Rice 75%+ 1100 50 413
Stanford 75%+ 1700 50 638
UC Berkeley 25%+ 9100 21 478
UChicago 75%+ 1600 46 552
UCLA 25%+ 6600 18 297
UMich 25%+ 7300 18 329
UPenn 75%+ 2400 51 918
USC 50%+ 3600 32 576
UVirginia 25%+ 3900 46 449
Vanderbilt 75%+ 1600 25 300
WashU 75%+ 1800 29 392
Yale 75%+ 1500 61 686
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:1540 (800 math): UW Seattle for engineering


Is that where they did get in, or where they didn’t get in when they expected to?

I feel like OP asked two different questions. Title is where they didn’t get in, but the body says where they ended up, which is presumably a place they got in.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:35 ACT and 3.7 UW GPA from a strong Boston private, average ECs, full pay girl - overshot ED, then did not get into any T 50 schools. Ended up at St Andrews


Which T50s did she apply to?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:35 ACT and 3.7 UW GPA from a strong Boston private, average ECs, full pay girl - overshot ED, then did not get into any T 50 schools. Ended up at St Andrews


This is very very surprising.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:35 ACT and 3.7 UW GPA from a strong Boston private, average ECs, full pay girl - overshot ED, then did not get into any T 50 schools. Ended up at St Andrews


This is very very surprising.


Depends, GPA doesn't tell us about course rigor or class rank. Those both matter a lot more than the raw numbers
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:35 ACT and 3.7 UW GPA from a strong Boston private, average ECs, full pay girl - overshot ED, then did not get into any T 50 schools. Ended up at St Andrews


I am guessing counselor recommendation went wrong.

Did you listen to counselor’s advice on ED school? If you insisted on overshooting, the counselor cannot support you on the recommendation. The consequence is that the same recommendation letter is sent to your ED school and RD schools.

The 3.7 gpa at a rigorous school always guarantees a T50, sometimes a T20, absent grade inflation and when supported by counselor.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:35 ACT and 3.7 UW GPA from a strong Boston private, average ECs, full pay girl - overshot ED, then did not get into any T 50 schools. Ended up at St Andrews


this is the st Andrews basher. or she had terrible essays
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:About 50% of 1500+ sat applicants go to a t20
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1kygeez/at_least_48_of_1500_sat_applicants_go_to_a_t20/
About 80% of 1540+ sat applicants go to a t20

University 1500+ Class size % who submitted SAT #1500+
Brown 75%+ 1700 61 778
Caltech 75%+ 200 79 119
Carnegie Mellon 75%+ 1800 53 716
Columbia 75%+ 1500 40 450
Cornell 75%+ 3500 45 1182
Dartmouth 50%+ 1200 43 258
Duke 75%+ 1700 47 599
Emory 25%+ 1400 42 147
Georgetown 25%+ 1600 78 312
Harvard 75%+ 1600 52 624
Johns Hopkins 75%+ 1400 50 525
MIT 75%+ 1100 83 685
Northwestern 75%+ 2100 50 788
Notre Dame 50%+ 2000 31 310
NYU 50%+ 5800 27 783
Princeton 75%+ 1400 56 588
Rice 75%+ 1100 50 413
Stanford 75%+ 1700 50 638
UC Berkeley 25%+ 9100 21 478
UChicago 75%+ 1600 46 552
UCLA 25%+ 6600 18 297
UMich 25%+ 7300 18 329
UPenn 75%+ 2400 51 918
USC 50%+ 3600 32 576
UVirginia 25%+ 3900 46 449
Vanderbilt 75%+ 1600 25 300
WashU 75%+ 1800 29 392
Yale 75%+ 1500 61 686


Recall that Cal and UCLA have other metrics that indicate high SAT scores despite being test blind, so the percentage is probably higher than just the percentage who submitted them for scholarship consideration.
Anonymous
It’s the joint/collective responsibility of the CC, parents and students to manage expectations. This crazy admissions environment has been around long enough now, for most people to know that is not as easy as it once was and that the old metrics/formulas don’t work. It’s really hard to tell your high achieving kid that there are thousands and thousands out there with the same or stronger profiles because you don’t want to take away from what they’ve accomplished. There’s that fine line between holding someone back and gently re-directing. I feel for all the parents out there as they navigate this strange new world of college admissions.
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