AAP school experience

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Anonymous wrote:One little boy was befriending DC in third grade and then he told them that he was too smart for the class and would be leaving their class in January for the Advanced class. It was very hurtful words and eye-opening to an 8 year old that there were different classes.

This. I remember when FCPS had GT instead of AAP. One friend had a little girl that did not make the cut. She told me her DD was "devastated." She appealed and got her in.

The child was bright--but not brighter than the rest. She was, however, a striver with a neurotic mom.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

You are completely wrong. In a center school, principals cannot round out class sizes to their liking. They can only do this at a local level IV school. In fact, that’s why many kids choose the center school - the class cannot be padded with Gen Ed kids. All the kids are committee placed only.

Do you even know what the difference is between a center school and a local level IV school?

It depends on the school. Our base school is the center school and the teacher confirmed to me personally in the fall that around half the class was principal placed. There's another AAP class in the same grade that's entirely level IV. All of the classes in this grade have around the same number of students. If they had not done that, they would have needed another gen ed teacher.

It does not depend on the school. The teacher is uninformed or lying. Center placement is by committee only.

- Signed, ES Principal

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

At our center the AAP classes are much bigger than the base classes and there is definitely no principal placing. Also, the oast two PTA presidents during my time there did not get their bright kids into AAP. (I hear that claim all the time!)

At my DC's school, the AAP teacher's child wasn't selected!

There's really nothing that can be said to convince the gen ed parents that they're ridiculous. They say the program is terrible practically can't see straight with jealousy. Haters gonna hate.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

You are completely wrong. In a center school, principals cannot round out class sizes to their liking. They can only do this at a local level IV school. In fact, that’s why many kids choose the center school - the class cannot be padded with Gen Ed kids. All the kids are committee placed only.

Do you even know what the difference is between a center school and a local level IV school?

It depends on the school. Our base school is the center school and the teacher confirmed to me personally in the fall that around half the class was principal placed. There's another AAP class in the same grade that's entirely level IV. All of the classes in this grade have around the same number of students. If they had not done that, they would have needed another gen ed teacher.

It does not depend on the school. The teacher is uninformed or lying. Center placement is by committee only.

- Signed, ES Principal

Hey smarty, our base school IS the center school. I don't think the teacher has any motivation to lie about such things, and I also don't believe for a minute that 40% of the 2nd grade base kids at this school were centrally placed into the level IV classroom. The more logical answer is the teacher is correct, and it was done to even out classroom numbers and avoid having to find another gen ed teacher. I'm sure you're well aware there is a teacher shortage.

[Anonymous]

One need only read these posts to know this program is toxic. The responses from the AAP parents provide a lot of the evidence.

Michelle Reid truly must be full of shit if she’s going to carry forward AAP and pretend to care about equity.

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Pretty sure staffing is done on total numbers. Not divided by gened or aap. So, principal may or may not have some flexibility.

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Even with a kid in AAP, there’s nothing great or innovative happening there. Very underwhelming actually.

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I think problem is with the presentation. Instead of Advanced Academics, it is better changed to something like Accelerated Academics or something that is not a reflection on the student but indicates a willingness to put a lot more effort.

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Try having twins where one makes it into AAP and the other doesn’t. Then one feels behind the other all through childhood.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

You are completely wrong. In a center school, principals cannot round out class sizes to their liking. They can only do this at a local level IV school. In fact, that’s why many kids choose the center school - the class cannot be padded with Gen Ed kids. All the kids are committee placed only.

Do you even know what the difference is between a center school and a local level IV school?

It depends on the school. Our base school is the center school and the teacher confirmed to me personally in the fall that around half the class was principal placed. There's another AAP class in the same grade that's entirely level IV. All of the classes in this grade have around the same number of students. If they had not done that, they would have needed another gen ed teacher.

It does not depend on the school. The teacher is uninformed or lying. Center placement is by committee only.

- Signed, ES Principal

Hey smarty, our base school IS the center school. I don't think the teacher has any motivation to lie about such things, and I also don't believe for a minute that 40% of the 2nd grade base kids at this school were centrally placed into the level IV classroom. The more logical answer is the teacher is correct, and it was done to even out classroom numbers and avoid having to find another gen ed teacher. I'm sure you're well aware there is a teacher shortage.

Name the school then. You are naive to think you have any inside scoop. Teachers lie to parents all the time to get them off their back.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

You are completely wrong. In a center school, principals cannot round out class sizes to their liking. They can only do this at a local level IV school. In fact, that’s why many kids choose the center school - the class cannot be padded with Gen Ed kids. All the kids are committee placed only.

Do you even know what the difference is between a center school and a local level IV school?

It depends on the school. Our base school is the center school and the teacher confirmed to me personally in the fall that around half the class was principal placed. There's another AAP class in the same grade that's entirely level IV. All of the classes in this grade have around the same number of students. If they had not done that, they would have needed another gen ed teacher.

It does not depend on the school. The teacher is uninformed or lying. Center placement is by committee only.

- Signed, ES Principal

Hey smarty, our base school IS the center school. I don't think the teacher has any motivation to lie about such things, and I also don't believe for a minute that 40% of the 2nd grade base kids at this school were centrally placed into the level IV classroom. The more logical answer is the teacher is correct, and it was done to even out classroom numbers and avoid having to find another gen ed teacher. I'm sure you're well aware there is a teacher shortage.

Name the school then. You are naive to think you have any inside scoop. Teachers lie to parents all the time to get them off their back.

I'm not PP, but Canterbury Woods under the old principal. I know personally two kids, now (successful) HS juniors who were principal placed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One need only read these posts to know this program is toxic. The responses from the AAP parents provide a lot of the evidence.

Michelle Reid truly must be full of shit if she’s going to carry forward AAP and pretend to care about equity.

Race to the bottom is not the answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Even with a kid in AAP, there’s nothing great or innovative happening there. Very underwhelming actually.

+1 Literally the only difference this year is accelerated math. The kids are getting the same science, social studies, and language arts curriculum in 6th. I know this because they switch teachers for every subject except LA.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

At our center the AAP classes are much bigger than the base classes and there is definitely no principal placing. Also, the oast two PTA presidents during my time there did not get their bright kids into AAP. (I hear that claim all the time!)

You’re definitely not in my center school then.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s so sad is once a base kid moves into the AAP class, they lose all their friendships with the gen Ed kids because they literally never see them again.

This has been our experience at a school with an LLIV program. There are two regular classes and one AAP class. The girls in the 6th grade AAP class have cliqued up to the point where they even have their own sports teams in the local rec league. They stayed friends in 3rd, but my child and several others got dropped like a hot potato in 4th.

I knew a teacher who was really exasperated about one of those 2E kids in her classroom who threw screaming fits frequently. The kind where the rest of the class had to leave while the child exploded screaming. And, the irony: the kid really wasn't that smart. The mom pushed for it.

I don’t even know where to start with this, but it sounds a whole lot like frustration that students with disabilities can also be gifted.

Sorry that challenges your belief in eugenics

Do you even know what that means? That had nothing to do with the comment.

But, if the teacher did not think the child was gifted, why do you think that? You do know that parents who complain and push frequently get their kids admitted.

This surely demonstrates your ignorance about the program. Parents can’t “push” their kids into it. They have to be selected by a committee.

DP. Wrong. At our center, parents who were friends with the principal asked the principal to place their kids in the AAP classes. It's called "principal placing" and pushy parents use it to their advantage all the time.

Then your school isn’t a center. That would be a local level IV school. Principals cannot pupil place kids into center AAP classes.

DP but yes they can to round out class sizes. Otherwise you could have huge differences in class sizes between AAP and General Ed. You just can't have an AAP class that is 35 kids or two that are 17 when the general ed classes are 25. They pull from general education to even out class sizes.

You are completely wrong. In a center school, principals cannot round out class sizes to their liking. They can only do this at a local level IV school. In fact, that’s why many kids choose the center school - the class cannot be padded with Gen Ed kids. All the kids are committee placed only.

Do you even know what the difference is between a center school and a local level IV school?

It depends on the school. Our base school is the center school and the teacher confirmed to me personally in the fall that around half the class was principal placed. There's another AAP class in the same grade that's entirely level IV. All of the classes in this grade have around the same number of students. If they had not done that, they would have needed another gen ed teacher.

It does not depend on the school. The teacher is uninformed or lying. Center placement is by committee only.

- Signed, ES Principal

Hey smarty, our base school IS the center school. I don't think the teacher has any motivation to lie about such things, and I also don't believe for a minute that 40% of the 2nd grade base kids at this school were centrally placed into the level IV classroom. The more logical answer is the teacher is correct, and it was done to even out classroom numbers and avoid having to find another gen ed teacher. I'm sure you're well aware there is a teacher shortage.

Name the school then. You are naive to think you have any inside scoop. Teachers lie to parents all the time to get them off their back.

I can't believe you're doubling down on this instead of admitting maybe you don't know what is going on at every single ES center around the county. It's hardly an "inside scoop" to figure out ~40% of last year's 2nd grade class was placed in a level IV classroom this year- yearbooks and publicly available class rosters do exist! And the teacher brought it up herself in a class email, discussing materials that might make good work samples for those applying this year for full time placement next year. I simply asked because my child is already centrally placed and for a moment after reading that, I thought perhaps they were not receiving services. So then it was explained the class is a mixture of level 3 and level 4 etc. Completely plausable. It doesn't bother me; I actually prefer this set up personally. I'm not going to say the school as I really like the principal and the teacher; I have no interest in "outing" them here for you to go tattle on them.