Hope for DCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When the demographics of the city are 40% black and 40% white, then the public schools should reflect that. And they often don't.

Sure but that's oversimplifying the issue. Anacostia and other EOTR neighborhoods are not 40% white, and AU Park is not 40% black. Unless you plan to bus kids all over the city, the neighborhood schools are not going to reflect the city average.

Can you explain how there is a school in Ward 1 with 4% Black students in this day and age?

Because that school shouldn't be in Ward 4, it should be in Ward 3 where it used to be. Duh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, you are on to something. I mean this with no disrespect (I’m a white man) white families expect to be part of the majority and treated like their norms and expectations are majority (ie democratically rewarded) norms. In DC you can feel othered and exasperated that what you consider normal isn’t what’s happening.

This creates some bad outcomes. Self segregation. Concentrated radicalized poverty. But why do we have to just give up on integration because of the feeling of white people that we expect to be the majority culture? I feel like there’s some maturing that needs to happen to white people culturally. I mean Asian people in this country are othered every damn day. Black people are concentrated together because other people want them fully excluded from “their” spaces. We have to do better than this. And some of how we got to a bad place came from putting “our kids” (ourselves?) first.

It's less about being the minority and more about not wanting to send your kid to a failing school. By any metric you can find, almost every middle and high school in DC qualifies as failing. Parents who can't afford to live in the right neighborhood and strike out in the lottery opt for charters or move. You can call it self segregation, but black families who care about education make the same choices

Then explain why there aren't more white kids at Banneker.

https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/9

4% exceeding expectations in math.

It's 1% at JR and that's not keeping white kids away.

JR is a traditional school. 4% for a magnet is pathetic

PARCC scores at the high school level are different because not everyone takes the PARCC. I believe students in AP classes are opted out or something like that. Anyhow, it's not apples to apples with the 3-8th PARCC scores or whatever the new acronym is.

It's DC CAPE. 9th and 10th graders take it. It doesn't go past algebra 2, so there are some issues where your most accelerated math students are only in your math data for 0-1 years instead of 2, but that's not driving the numbers in a big way at either Banneker or JR. But they both have significant groups of kids who are at grade level.

Anyway, I don't know why you would look at the 5s if what you were interested in was above grade level kids, since there's also AP data available and the kids are probably trying a lot more at that.

Banneker is IB. Their AP offerings, particularly in science, are almost nonexistent. The percentages getting IB, and which IB diploma are a lot harder to find than PARCC scores

You can also look at SAT scores.

And SWW has under 8% getting a 5 in math. 7.5% is fine but 4% isn't? I don't think anyone is doing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know this sounds weird, but we're longtime white residents in a blacker part of DC, participating in local institutions like mostly black church, etc., and the "Black excellence" thing at Banneker is kind of appealing. When we interviewed and I met people, my child met people, we were all like, "We get this. We like this." Way more our style than

I'm sure I could get myself in trouble for talking like this but I like the "work hard and prove a world that wasn't built for you wrong" more than I like the look out for number one where's my A thing I get from a lot of white people around here. (Probably helps I didn't grow up like a lot of white DC.)

white person here. no, it doesn’t seem weird at all to me. most white Americans have very little esposure to black MC/UMC culture, and it was something I was glad to learn about from living in DC and working at DC jobs with a lot of black coworkers & management. my kid is likely not Banneker material but I’d have absolutely zero reservations about sending him there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you are on to something. I mean this with no disrespect (I’m a white man) white families expect to be part of the majority and treated like their norms and expectations are majority (ie democratically rewarded) norms. In DC you can feel othered and exasperated that what you consider normal isn’t what’s happening.

This creates some bad outcomes. Self segregation. Concentrated radicalized poverty. But why do we have to just give up on integration because of the feeling of white people that we expect to be the majority culture? I feel like there’s some maturing that needs to happen to white people culturally. I mean Asian people in this country are othered every damn day. Black people are concentrated together because other people want them fully excluded from “their” spaces. We have to do better than this. And some of how we got to a bad place came from putting “our kids” (ourselves?) first.

It's less about being the minority and more about not wanting to send your kid to a failing school. By any metric you can find, almost every middle and high school in DC qualifies as failing. Parents who can't afford to live in the right neighborhood and strike out in the lottery opt for charters or move. You can call it self segregation, but black families who care about education make the same choices

Then explain why there aren't more white kids at Banneker.

https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/9

4% exceeding expectations in math.

It's 1% at JR and that's not keeping white kids away.

JR is a traditional school. 4% for a magnet is pathetic

It's 1% at McKinley and 7% at School Without Walls. Is your view that the performance of all DCPS magnet schools is pathetic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you are on to something. I mean this with no disrespect (I’m a white man) white families expect to be part of the majority and treated like their norms and expectations are majority (ie democratically rewarded) norms. In DC you can feel othered and exasperated that what you consider normal isn’t what’s happening.

This creates some bad outcomes. Self segregation. Concentrated radicalized poverty. But why do we have to just give up on integration because of the feeling of white people that we expect to be the majority culture? I feel like there’s some maturing that needs to happen to white people culturally. I mean Asian people in this country are othered every damn day. Black people are concentrated together because other people want them fully excluded from “their” spaces. We have to do better than this. And some of how we got to a bad place came from putting “our kids” (ourselves?) first.

It's less about being the minority and more about not wanting to send your kid to a failing school. By any metric you can find, almost every middle and high school in DC qualifies as failing. Parents who can't afford to live in the right neighborhood and strike out in the lottery opt for charters or move. You can call it self segregation, but black families who care about education make the same choices

Then explain why there aren't more white kids at Banneker.

https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/9

4% exceeding expectations in math.

It's 1% at JR and that's not keeping white kids away.

JR is a traditional school. 4% for a magnet is pathetic

PARCC scores at the high school level are different because not everyone takes the PARCC. I believe students in AP classes are opted out or something like that. Anyhow, it's not apples to apples with the 3-8th PARCC scores or whatever the new acronym is.

It's DC CAPE. 9th and 10th graders take it. It doesn't go past algebra 2, so there are some issues where your most accelerated math students are only in your math data for 0-1 years instead of 2, but that's not driving the numbers in a big way at either Banneker or JR. But they both have significant groups of kids who are at grade level.

Anyway, I don't know why you would look at the 5s if what you were interested in was above grade level kids, since there's also AP data available and the kids are probably trying a lot more at that.

Banneker is IB. Their AP offerings, particularly in science, are almost nonexistent. The percentages getting IB, and which IB diploma are a lot harder to find than PARCC scores

?? I thought Banneker's IB program was limited to like 25 kids, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you are on to something. I mean this with no disrespect (I’m a white man) white families expect to be part of the majority and treated like their norms and expectations are majority (ie democratically rewarded) norms. In DC you can feel othered and exasperated that what you consider normal isn’t what’s happening.

This creates some bad outcomes. Self segregation. Concentrated radicalized poverty. But why do we have to just give up on integration because of the feeling of white people that we expect to be the majority culture? I feel like there’s some maturing that needs to happen to white people culturally. I mean Asian people in this country are othered every damn day. Black people are concentrated together because other people want them fully excluded from “their” spaces. We have to do better than this. And some of how we got to a bad place came from putting “our kids” (ourselves?) first.

It's less about being the minority and more about not wanting to send your kid to a failing school. By any metric you can find, almost every middle and high school in DC qualifies as failing. Parents who can't afford to live in the right neighborhood and strike out in the lottery opt for charters or move. You can call it self segregation, but black families who care about education make the same choices

Then explain why there aren't more white kids at Banneker.

https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/9

4% exceeding expectations in math.

It's 1% at JR and that's not keeping white kids away.

JR is a traditional school. 4% for a magnet is pathetic

It's 1% at McKinley and 7% at School Without Walls. Is your view that the performance of all DCPS magnet schools is pathetic?

Yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you are on to something. I mean this with no disrespect (I’m a white man) white families expect to be part of the majority and treated like their norms and expectations are majority (ie democratically rewarded) norms. In DC you can feel othered and exasperated that what you consider normal isn’t what’s happening.

This creates some bad outcomes. Self segregation. Concentrated radicalized poverty. But why do we have to just give up on integration because of the feeling of white people that we expect to be the majority culture? I feel like there’s some maturing that needs to happen to white people culturally. I mean Asian people in this country are othered every damn day. Black people are concentrated together because other people want them fully excluded from “their” spaces. We have to do better than this. And some of how we got to a bad place came from putting “our kids” (ourselves?) first.

It's less about being the minority and more about not wanting to send your kid to a failing school. By any metric you can find, almost every middle and high school in DC qualifies as failing. Parents who can't afford to live in the right neighborhood and strike out in the lottery opt for charters or move. You can call it self segregation, but black families who care about education make the same choices

Then explain why there aren't more white kids at Banneker.

https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/9

4% exceeding expectations in math.

It's 1% at JR and that's not keeping white kids away.

JR is a traditional school. 4% for a magnet is pathetic

It's 1% at McKinley and 7% at School Without Walls. Is your view that the performance of all DCPS magnet schools is pathetic?

Yes

Ok, but the original comment was about what's keeping white families away from Banneker.

It's not the difference between 7.5% and 4% getting 5s.

[Anonymous]

I think one reason white families do not apply for Banneker at higher rates is because of the feeling that is the application school "for" high achieved ng black kids and that it is not fair for white students to take those spots. This is very much baked into the culture of the school and when there were fewer white families staying in DCPS through 12th it was less of an issue. But now more white families want to stay and there are not enough spots and academically challenging high schools so you see the percentage of white students at Banneker creeping up. If that number increased enough to change the culture if the school, I think you would see some unhappiness among black families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think one reason white families do not apply for Banneker at higher rates is because of the feeling that is the application school "for" high achieved ng black kids and that it is not fair for white students to take those spots. This is very much baked into the culture of the school and when there were fewer white families staying in DCPS through 12th it was less of an issue. But now more white families want to stay and there are not enough spots and academically challenging high schools so you see the percentage of white students at Banneker creeping up. If that number increased enough to change the culture if the school, I think you would see some unhappiness among black families.

+1

I do think the school culture is predicated on being a place of achievement for black students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think one reason white families do not apply for Banneker at higher rates is because of the feeling that is the application school "for" high achieved ng black kids and that it is not fair for white students to take those spots. This is very much baked into the culture of the school and when there were fewer white families staying in DCPS through 12th it was less of an issue. But now more white families want to stay and there are not enough spots and academically challenging high schools so you see the percentage of white students at Banneker creeping up. If that number increased enough to change the culture if the school, I think you would see some unhappiness among black families.

This is very true. It's also true that the surrounding neighborhood is a LOT more white these days, those families have opted into the DCPS elementaries, and the interest in Banneker from that group is enormous. They see the Banneker kids walking around the neighborhood and at Seaton (where they go to fulfill their community service hours) and there is a huge amount of interest in the school. So we'll see what happens over the years. I don't know what the ideal non-Black percentage is so that it can still be a place a Black excellence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think one reason white families do not apply for Banneker at higher rates is because of the feeling that is the application school "for" high achieved ng black kids and that it is not fair for white students to take those spots. This is very much baked into the culture of the school and when there were fewer white families staying in DCPS through 12th it was less of an issue. But now more white families want to stay and there are not enough spots and academically challenging high schools so you see the percentage of white students at Banneker creeping up. If that number increased enough to change the culture if the school, I think you would see some unhappiness among black families.

This is very true. It's also true that the surrounding neighborhood is a LOT more white these days, those families have opted into the DCPS elementaries, and the interest in Banneker from that group is enormous. They see the Banneker kids walking around the neighborhood and at Seaton (where they go to fulfill their community service hours) and there is a huge amount of interest in the school. So we'll see what happens over the years. I don't know what the ideal non-Black percentage is so that it can still be a place a Black excellence.

Why is it that black people just can’t have something nice without others trying to intrude? They tried to disrespect Howard University by treating it as a dog park and now they’re trying to take Banneker High School. The black students at Banneker are doing fine and don’t need to be saved from those with a “colonizer mindset”. It doesn’t cost anything to just leave these students and their families alone. They don’t need affluent others on the PTO trying to change the culture of the school. LEAVE THEM ALONE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one reason white families do not apply for Banneker at higher rates is because of the feeling that is the application school "for" high achieved ng black kids and that it is not fair for white students to take those spots. This is very much baked into the culture of the school and when there were fewer white families staying in DCPS through 12th it was less of an issue. But now more white families want to stay and there are not enough spots and academically challenging high schools so you see the percentage of white students at Banneker creeping up. If that number increased enough to change the culture if the school, I think you would see some unhappiness among black families.

This is very true. It's also true that the surrounding neighborhood is a LOT more white these days, those families have opted into the DCPS elementaries, and the interest in Banneker from that group is enormous. They see the Banneker kids walking around the neighborhood and at Seaton (where they go to fulfill their community service hours) and there is a huge amount of interest in the school. So we'll see what happens over the years. I don't know what the ideal non-Black percentage is so that it can still be a place a Black excellence.

Why is it that black people just can’t have something nice without others trying to intrude? They tried to disrespect Howard University by treating it as a dog park and now they’re trying to take Banneker High School. The black students at Banneker are doing fine and don’t need to be saved from those with a “colonizer mindset”. It doesn’t cost anything to just leave these students and their families alone. They don’t need affluent others on the PTO trying to change the culture of the school. LEAVE THEM ALONE.

How on earth are you equating people using Howard’s grounds as a dog park with white DC children attending a DC public school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you are on to something. I mean this with no disrespect (I’m a white man) white families expect to be part of the majority and treated like their norms and expectations are majority (ie democratically rewarded) norms. In DC you can feel othered and exasperated that what you consider normal isn’t what’s happening.

This creates some bad outcomes. Self segregation. Concentrated radicalized poverty. But why do we have to just give up on integration because of the feeling of white people that we expect to be the majority culture? I feel like there’s some maturing that needs to happen to white people culturally. I mean Asian people in this country are othered every damn day. Black people are concentrated together because other people want them fully excluded from “their” spaces. We have to do better than this. And some of how we got to a bad place came from putting “our kids” (ourselves?) first.

It's less about being the minority and more about not wanting to send your kid to a failing school. By any metric you can find, almost every middle and high school in DC qualifies as failing. Parents who can't afford to live in the right neighborhood and strike out in the lottery opt for charters or move. You can call it self segregation, but black families who care about education make the same choices

Then explain why there aren't more white kids at Banneker.

https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/9

4% exceeding expectations in math.

It's 1% at JR and that's not keeping white kids away.

JR is a traditional school. 4% for a magnet is pathetic

It's 1% at McKinley and 7% at School Without Walls. Is your view that the performance of all DCPS magnet schools is pathetic?

Isn’t this an artifact of the kids doing advanced math not taking PARCC for that course?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one reason white families do not apply for Banneker at higher rates is because of the feeling that is the application school "for" high achieved ng black kids and that it is not fair for white students to take those spots. This is very much baked into the culture of the school and when there were fewer white families staying in DCPS through 12th it was less of an issue. But now more white families want to stay and there are not enough spots and academically challenging high schools so you see the percentage of white students at Banneker creeping up. If that number increased enough to change the culture if the school, I think you would see some unhappiness among black families.

This is very true. It's also true that the surrounding neighborhood is a LOT more white these days, those families have opted into the DCPS elementaries, and the interest in Banneker from that group is enormous. They see the Banneker kids walking around the neighborhood and at Seaton (where they go to fulfill their community service hours) and there is a huge amount of interest in the school. So we'll see what happens over the years. I don't know what the ideal non-Black percentage is so that it can still be a place a Black excellence.

Why is it that black people just can’t have something nice without others trying to intrude? They tried to disrespect Howard University by treating it as a dog park and now they’re trying to take Banneker High School. The black students at Banneker are doing fine and don’t need to be saved from those with a “colonizer mindset”. It doesn’t cost anything to just leave these students and their families alone. They don’t need affluent others on the PTO trying to change the culture of the school. LEAVE THEM ALONE.

troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think one reason white families do not apply for Banneker at higher rates is because of the feeling that is the application school "for" high achieved ng black kids and that it is not fair for white students to take those spots. This is very much baked into the culture of the school and when there were fewer white families staying in DCPS through 12th it was less of an issue. But now more white families want to stay and there are not enough spots and academically challenging high schools so you see the percentage of white students at Banneker creeping up. If that number increased enough to change the culture if the school, I think you would see some unhappiness among black families.

This is very true. It's also true that the surrounding neighborhood is a LOT more white these days, those families have opted into the DCPS elementaries, and the interest in Banneker from that group is enormous. They see the Banneker kids walking around the neighborhood and at Seaton (where they go to fulfill their community service hours) and there is a huge amount of interest in the school. So we'll see what happens over the years. I don't know what the ideal non-Black percentage is so that it can still be a place a Black excellence.

Why is it that black people just can’t have something nice without others trying to intrude? They tried to disrespect Howard University by treating it as a dog park and now they’re trying to take Banneker High School. The black students at Banneker are doing fine and don’t need to be saved from those with a “colonizer mindset”. It doesn’t cost anything to just leave these students and their families alone. They don’t need affluent others on the PTO trying to change the culture of the school. LEAVE THEM ALONE.

troll

Anytime anyone says anything supporting black people, it’s always considered a troll to some of this board. I’m just speaking the truth from a perspective of a black person living in DC since I was born in the 1990s. Has it ever occurred that high achieving black families want to send their black children to a predominately black school with other high achieving black children?