are you seriously considering an expensive tiny private college to a large state university that serves the majority of in state students? This is like comparing an expensive private HS student body performance with that of a large public school that serves the public. You understand that is not a fair comparison, right? No, clearly you don't. |
It's just a label. Stop being so triggered. |
I’m not so triggered. The label is dumb, wouldn’t you agree? I went to an ivy, as did my spouse, and we have 2 in HS now who probably won’t go into our schools (not applying yet and I’m being realistic). |
What does price have anything to do with it. Ivys are expensive. |
That's kind of the point, public schools are not meant to be elite, yet too many are trying to make them so. |
good gracious. |
All you are saying is that only expensive schools can be elite because of the price tag. Quality of the student body and grads isn't always about money. Public schools can be elite because of the caliber of students and the quality of grads they are churning out, per the hiring managers. Your snobiness is showing. |
Ivies is just a label to indicate selectivity of the student body and quality of the grads. It's just expanding on the current label. |
It is also a label for a type of undergraduate education similar to Ivy league schools, with smaller classes, high standards, good teaching, typically residential, with institutional traditions. This part of it is getting lost. |
I don't think the Ivy designation was specific to "smaller class sizes". In general, it's a label used to indicate selectivity, quality of the education and graduates. |
UW Madison is historically only second to Berkeley in terms of academics and alumni. Unless Michigan and UCLA can make a vast amount of discoveries in the next 20 years, the only prominence they are achieving now is simply “catch up.” |
No one cares about these alumni from 50+ years ago- it's about RIGHT NOW. No one chose Wisconsin over Michigan or UT and some chose other schools over it as well. It's a good school but a regular state flagship for.. Wisconsin. |
Quality of education has some dependency on quality teaching, high standards, and things like professor access and class size. |
Selectivity and with quality of education are being conflated these days. |
They are still nothing like Ivy League schools for undergraduate study on average. They are much larger, much less residential, and don't have the same commitment to teaching undergraduates. On that count, those 4 don't differ from other public universities. |