Disappointed with Georgetown

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Yeah....in the 1940s.

Maybe you should substitute Marist for Harvard and Lehigh for Princeton.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah....in the 1940s.

Maybe you should substitute Marist for Harvard and Lehigh for Princeton.

Who cares?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, tell us why you care so much about Georgetown, such as to create frequent OPs on the subject - all of which quickly and illogically veer into nothing that your primary OP addresses.

Rejection obviously. Still stings. Either her child or her own rejection.

Although I have wondered if this is some weird psycho thinking she can drive down the number of applicants to schools her child is applying , particularly if they attend the same high school.

It has been going on for a while now. The frequent OP is indicative of mental illness.

it's possibly to not love Georgetown. it's not in and of itself a sign of mental illness.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown's fight song goes on and on about scoring touchdowns against Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, and Navy. Georgetown doesn't play those schools. Literally singing about a non-existent association tells you everything you need to know.

The OP's post makes some great points. Georgetown actually is exceptionally hard to get into these days. My sense is that a lot of Georgetown students/families really like that the acceptance rate is so low. Lots of people want to be there, which makes even more people want to be there. At some point it became as selective (or more) as a number of schools that are actually.......better schools.

The reason Georgetown is not common app is specifically because they do not want to appear artificially selective. They have been very consistent in saying this.

+1. Direct quote from one of their webinars this summer:

"I do like to take a second to clarify why we are not part of the common application. I know it makes us a little different maybe from some of the other schools that you might be considering and it is a deliberate decision on our part. We have decided not to join the common application for a couple of reasons. One we want to have a little bit more control over our application, the types of questions that we asked really hone in on who you might be as a particular Georgetown student, but also really allow us to have more control over our timing. We release our application a little earlier than the common application. So you can spend a little bit more time sitting with the materials on your application.

But most importantly, I would say having our own application really allows us to have the application pool to be the right size for us. We recognize that if we were to join the common application our application pool would be much, much bigger, but at that point, we wouldn't know if that particular student was really, really interested in Georgetown or they just happened to throw their hat in the ring because the barrier to entry is a lot lower. Because we have our own application, we know for a fact that you took the extra step to apply directly to us. With that comes the assumption you did your research, maybe you came to one of these information sessions or you spent some time on our website, but that you can truly see yourself being here on our campus as a Georgetown student. So that means the world to us. "

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I don’t understand how you can conclude Georgetown is overly selective when they are inflating their acceptance rate by 2x, at least, through mandatory test scores, interviews, and no common app.

I'm not saying that the selectivity is fake. The selectivity is extremely real and extremely rigorous. My point is that the school itself -- the one you actually attend after being accepted -- isn't as strong as other schools that are that hard to get into.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

NP. I thought ND was better than Georgetown academically, SFS aside.

Most people do. But this is DCUM and Georgetown is strong regionally.

Georgetown is respected nationally. Most people know ND for football.

ND's class is more diverse geographically than Georgetown's, but nice try.

ND is also more domestic students. Georgetown over 17% international. They love the full pay international kids. Basically, it's the St Andrews of America.

this is funny, although I do think they take too many intl kids.

Tell that to the other top schools, then - oh and you sound very ignorant.

Ivy League average is 12%. So Georgetown almost 50% higher. Now, I realize the Ivy League a much higher level of school, but for schools in the 20-50 range, I think 17% is even higher than the peer group.

Georgetown is also not a common app school. Which I doubt you knew because neither you nor your child bothered applying there.

THIS. BRAVO.

Moreover, SFS at least requires additional essays.

The fact that the acceptance rate is as low as it is is a testament to how desirable of a school Georgetown is.

I can't think of a top 20 school that doesn't require at least two extra essays.

But Georgetown requires a completely separate application.

AND TEST SCORES---VERY HIGH ONES are REQUIRED. This combined with not being on the common app weeds out unqualified applicants from even applying so you don't get the false applicant-selectivity% that other schools use to drive the selectivity falsely down (they send countless mailings, court students...students that don't stand a chance; but having them apply makes their number look more selective and gives them application fees).

It's noted that Georgetown's selectivity is really closer to 5% if you take these things into consideration.

test scores are much lower than top 20 schools. so not that big of a deal.

Georgetown SAT range: 1410-1540
Harvard: 1480-1580
Duke: 1510-1560

Under your logic, Duke is superior to Harvard. In reality, these ranges are not all that different from one another.

1410??

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown's fight song goes on and on about scoring touchdowns against Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, and Navy. Georgetown doesn't play those schools. Literally singing about a non-existent association tells you everything you need to know.

The OP's post makes some great points. Georgetown actually is exceptionally hard to get into these days. My sense is that a lot of Georgetown students/families really like that the acceptance rate is so low. Lots of people want to be there, which makes even more people want to be there. At some point it became as selective (or more) as a number of schools that are actually.......better schools.

The reason Georgetown is not common app is specifically because they do not want to appear artificially selective. They have been very consistent in saying this.

+1. Direct quote from one of their webinars this summer:

"I do like to take a second to clarify why we are not part of the common application. I know it makes us a little different maybe from some of the other schools that you might be considering and it is a deliberate decision on our part. We have decided not to join the common application for a couple of reasons. One we want to have a little bit more control over our application, the types of questions that we asked really hone in on who you might be as a particular Georgetown student, but also really allow us to have more control over our timing. We release our application a little earlier than the common application. So you can spend a little bit more time sitting with the materials on your application.

But most importantly, I would say having our own application really allows us to have the application pool to be the right size for us. We recognize that if we were to join the common application our application pool would be much, much bigger, but at that point, we wouldn't know if that particular student was really, really interested in Georgetown or they just happened to throw their hat in the ring because the barrier to entry is a lot lower. Because we have our own application, we know for a fact that you took the extra step to apply directly to us. With that comes the assumption you did your research, maybe you came to one of these information sessions or you spent some time on our website, but that you can truly see yourself being here on our campus as a Georgetown student. So that means the world to us. "

this is bullshit. when charlie retires, they'll be on the common app within two years.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very difficult to take seriously any post denigrating an elite college before the poster has an acceptance letter in hand. It’s just too loaded.

Not the OP, but I agree about his take on the campus and didn't "have an acceptance letter in hand." Kid didn't apply, but I am fairly sure he would have gotten in if he did. He got into ND and BC as well as some other safeties. He didn't apply to any ivies. Came from a DC Jesuit school and wanted to continue with a Catholic institution.

Why would someone need to have an acceptance letter in order to be taken seriously about their opinion on the physical condition of a college campus.

I don’t blame a kid from Prep or Gonzaga for wanting to go away to college and for having a viscerally negative reaction to any local school and not even applying. So I’d absolutely take your kid’s view on Georgetown with a huge grain of salt as well.

Also, it’s comical that PP thinks her kid would’ve definitely gotten into Georgetown. SFS has a 15% acceptance rate and the College has a 12% acceptance rate.

But sure — PP’s kid def would’ve been a shoe in.

PP here. I stand by my assertion of his likelihood of admission based on his college counselor's assurances. He had a perfect ACT score, many leadership positions, came from a Jesuit school, and we also had connections that we could have used (but obviously didn't need to).

lol ok. Whatever you say.

LOL OK. But you can't prove the PP wrong. Sounds like her kid was very qualified and probably would have gotten in. She didn't say it was a definite. Said "fairly sure." That's not definite.

I'm fairly sure my kid will get accepted to all HYPS schools. But, not going to apply. Their loss.

The PP didn't say anything about HYPS schools, which is a completely different situation. A kid out of a top DC Jesuit school with high stats and strong leadership roles has a very good chance of admission into Georgetown. Not so much at HYPS.

this is true. I only know about Regis, which is rigorous, but their acceptance rate at Georgetown is over 50%. They usually end up with 20 acceptances a year with btw 6-10 boys attending.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very difficult to take seriously any post denigrating an elite college before the poster has an acceptance letter in hand. It’s just too loaded.

Not the OP, but I agree about his take on the campus and didn't "have an acceptance letter in hand." Kid didn't apply, but I am fairly sure he would have gotten in if he did. He got into ND and BC as well as some other safeties. He didn't apply to any ivies. Came from a DC Jesuit school and wanted to continue with a Catholic institution.

Why would someone need to have an acceptance letter in order to be taken seriously about their opinion on the physical condition of a college campus.

I don’t blame a kid from Prep or Gonzaga for wanting to go away to college and for having a viscerally negative reaction to any local school and not even applying. So I’d absolutely take your kid’s view on Georgetown with a huge grain of salt as well.

Also, it’s comical that PP thinks her kid would’ve definitely gotten into Georgetown. SFS has a 15% acceptance rate and the College has a 12% acceptance rate.

But sure — PP’s kid def would’ve been a shoe in.

PP here. I stand by my assertion of his likelihood of admission based on his college counselor's assurances. He had a perfect ACT score, many leadership positions, came from a Jesuit school, and we also had connections that we could have used (but obviously didn't need to).

lol ok. Whatever you say.

LOL OK. But you can't prove the PP wrong. Sounds like her kid was very qualified and probably would have gotten in. She didn't say it was a definite. Said "fairly sure." That's not definite.

I'm fairly sure my kid will get accepted to all HYPS schools. But, not going to apply. Their loss.

The PP didn't say anything about HYPS schools, which is a completely different situation. A kid out of a top DC Jesuit school with high stats and strong leadership roles has a very good chance of admission into Georgetown. Not so much at HYPS.

this is true. I only know about Regis, which is rigorous, but their acceptance rate at Georgetown is over 50%. They usually end up with 20 acceptances a year with btw 6-10 boys attending.

I have to think that's an outlier. Regis sends over a dozen kids to HYP and MIT every year (in total, not each). If you can get into Regis, you can write your ticket. Wish we had a school here like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, I don’t understand how you can conclude Georgetown is overly selective when they are inflating their acceptance rate by 2x, at least, through mandatory test scores, interviews, and no common app.

I'm not saying that the selectivity is fake. The selectivity is extremely real and extremely rigorous. My point is that the school itself -- the one you actually attend after being accepted -- isn't as strong as other schools that are that hard to get into.

And I didn't state that you said their selectivity is fake... Again, I said I wasn't sure why you think Georgetown is overly selective. It is appropriately selective for a school of its caliber. I think I get your perspective now: Georgetown is a middling school and should, normatively, not receive as many applications as it does. I would fundamentally disagree.

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OP, your post presents a lot of things about "facts" that are really just your opinions, and not well-informed ones. You sound a little insufferable, like the kind of person who thinks they know everything. You don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown's fight song goes on and on about scoring touchdowns against Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, and Navy. Georgetown doesn't play those schools. Literally singing about a non-existent association tells you everything you need to know.

The OP's post makes some great points. Georgetown actually is exceptionally hard to get into these days. My sense is that a lot of Georgetown students/families really like that the acceptance rate is so low. Lots of people want to be there, which makes even more people want to be there. At some point it became as selective (or more) as a number of schools that are actually.......better schools.

The reason Georgetown is not common app is specifically because they do not want to appear artificially selective. They have been very consistent in saying this.

+1. Direct quote from one of their webinars this summer:

"I do like to take a second to clarify why we are not part of the common application. I know it makes us a little different maybe from some of the other schools that you might be considering and it is a deliberate decision on our part. We have decided not to join the common application for a couple of reasons. One we want to have a little bit more control over our application, the types of questions that we asked really hone in on who you might be as a particular Georgetown student, but also really allow us to have more control over our timing. We release our application a little earlier than the common application. So you can spend a little bit more time sitting with the materials on your application.

But most importantly, I would say having our own application really allows us to have the application pool to be the right size for us. We recognize that if we were to join the common application our application pool would be much, much bigger, but at that point, we wouldn't know if that particular student was really, really interested in Georgetown or they just happened to throw their hat in the ring because the barrier to entry is a lot lower. Because we have our own application, we know for a fact that you took the extra step to apply directly to us. With that comes the assumption you did your research, maybe you came to one of these information sessions or you spent some time on our website, but that you can truly see yourself being here on our campus as a Georgetown student. So that means the world to us. "

this is bullshit. when charlie retires, they'll be on the common app within two years.

Time will tell, I guess, but I don't think Charlie is going to retire. He will stay in that role until he dies.

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Anonymous wrote:My son and I did our first college tours this week. Although we don't live that far away, this was the first time I had seen Georgetown since my own tour nearly 30 years ago. It was very insightful. .......

When we left, I mentioned none of this to my son, asking instead what he thought. His take: "Dad, if I could manage to get in here, I think I could also get in somewhere much better, so why bother applying." He's much more astute than I was.

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He sounds like a prestige whore. What "much better" schools does he think he would get into?

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown's fight song goes on and on about scoring touchdowns against Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, and Navy. Georgetown doesn't play those schools. Literally singing about a non-existent association tells you everything you need to know.

The OP's post makes some great points. Georgetown actually is exceptionally hard to get into these days. My sense is that a lot of Georgetown students/families really like that the acceptance rate is so low. Lots of people want to be there, which makes even more people want to be there. At some point it became as selective (or more) as a number of schools that are actually.......better schools.

The reason Georgetown is not common app is specifically because they do not want to appear artificially selective. They have been very consistent in saying this.

+1. Direct quote from one of their webinars this summer:

"I do like to take a second to clarify why we are not part of the common application. I know it makes us a little different maybe from some of the other schools that you might be considering and it is a deliberate decision on our part. We have decided not to join the common application for a couple of reasons. One we want to have a little bit more control over our application, the types of questions that we asked really hone in on who you might be as a particular Georgetown student, but also really allow us to have more control over our timing. We release our application a little earlier than the common application. So you can spend a little bit more time sitting with the materials on your application.

But most importantly, I would say having our own application really allows us to have the application pool to be the right size for us. We recognize that if we were to join the common application our application pool would be much, much bigger, but at that point, we wouldn't know if that particular student was really, really interested in Georgetown or they just happened to throw their hat in the ring because the barrier to entry is a lot lower. Because we have our own application, we know for a fact that you took the extra step to apply directly to us. With that comes the assumption you did your research, maybe you came to one of these information sessions or you spent some time on our website, but that you can truly see yourself being here on our campus as a Georgetown student. So that means the world to us. "

this is bullshit. when charlie retires, they'll be on the common app within two years.

Time will tell, I guess, but I don't think Charlie is going to retire. He will stay in that role until he dies.

I dont think he'll be allowed to. They were hoping his reign would end 5 years ago. Think we're closing in on the end.

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We live in VA. It never occurred to us that our kids would apply to Georgetown because we figured if they could get in there they’d get into UVA which only costs half as much. Still, you’re not gonna find us bashing the school.

OP is odd.