US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Mixed feelings here. Progressives for a long time have been waaayyy too willing to engage in reverse discrimination, even to the point that some take as gospel truth the notion that it is impossible to discriminate against white people. And even worse, tolerating a lot of toxic speech about “yts” and “Karens” that would never be permitted against any other group. As far as college admissions go, I admit that it did bother me that the biracial cousins were probably going to get huge boosts in college admissions over our DS, despite the fact that they have considerably more money & privilege than we do.

Yet … there is no question in my mind that systemic racism exists and continues to impact generations of black kids. That’s a harm worth repairing through affirmative action in education, especially since these kids never got a chance to show their full potential. But at the same time, it IS sort of a sick system that tolerated black kids failing in huge numbers in elementary/secondary school, then society can make itself feel better by scooping up a handful of strivers and sending them to Harvard (or more cynically, just boosting already privilaged kids based on race, see above).

The HARD work of ameliorating the legacy of racism cannot be done through Harvard’s admissions policies …

Great post

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Agree. Some of my kids’ AA friends have said as much. People assume they don’t really belong to be there. They work twice as hard to prove them wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:America, F* yeah! Finally asians receive equal treatment under the law, not just "URM"

In synopsis I glanced, the Court summarized affirmative action is stereotypical, something to that effect, assuming all race thinks alike, are similar, etc. I guess affirmative action assumes certain people are just naturally challenged intellectually. This is a great day for URM, as they will no longer be assumed to be inferior. Those who make it will be presumed to be qualified. Finally, URMs will receive equal treatment under the law. It's a great day in America when all people, whites, brown, and blacks are judged by the content of their character.

They already are qualified. Look at this girl: https://kion546.com/news/2023/06/27/from-pajaro-to-harvard-a-young-girl-overcomes-homelessness-to-attend-the-ivy-league-school/ Strength of character and resilience abound and she has good grades and is top of her class.

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Anonymous wrote:so now Harvard will look for “experience factors.. “

they will find a way to get around this

No, the whole point is if they’re not allowed to try and find ways around this, they need the practice to end. This is the supreme court.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope colleges and universities switch to preference for low income students as a proxy.
It would be interesting to see how that works out. And low income students are faced with huge obstacles

They already did many years ago. Where have you been? Colleges have been crystal clear that first gen and low income students are a group they endeavor to serve. Whether that's because US News started using Pell grant success or them knowing the guy behind the Texas case wasn't going to stop his campaign, it doesn't matter. They made the change already.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand some of you. Are you upset that Supreme Court overturned a racist law?

This co-opting of the term "racist" is disingenuous. Did you read SC Justice Brown's dissent? There are reasonable disagreements with affirmative action (as well as reasonable justifications for it), but higher education is an important tool in addressing systemic racism in our society that disproportionately affects Black families given the history of slavery, Jim Crow laws and their residual effects in so many ways in present society (disproportionate policing and sentencing for similar crimes is just one example), but also impacts other URMs. Systemic racism will be harder to address without the types of affirmative action policies colleges developed.

So you think it was fair that Brown's kids would have gotten a bump based on race while a white or asian janitor's kid would be dinged for their race?

The janitor's would have gotten a bigger bump based on their income status. But also no matter how rich Brown's kids are--they are still more likely to be stopped by the police, monitored in every store they go into, etc. Racism affects every day life for Black people in this country in a very dramatic way--no matter how rich they are.

Who the @#^&$# is Brown?

SC Justice Ketanji Brown who wrote the dissenting opinion on the case we are discussing.

Colorblind-struck much?

Ketanji Brown JACKSON ! ! ! !

Do you call Alito, Justice ANTHONY?????

No respect given.....

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I wonder what Harvard is going to do now!

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

However, unlike many on this board kept arrogantly asserting, the end of Roberts' opinion clearly specifies that universities MAY NOT use essays or any other soft means to set up essentially the same system in effect today. That means they cannot use a "back door" to still discriminate via soft methods. So, sorry racist people on DCUM, your dreams are shattered lol

There are so many "soft methods" that you can't even imagine.

The elite colleges and universities will continue to amass a super-diverse enrollment. Ha!

Colleges should be very very careful and ask themselves it it's worth the risk.
I see huge potential lawsuts

Spell it out for me. How would a successful lawsuit be structured after this?

A class action firm would work with Morgan and Morgan and other aggregators to sign up asian american students with great stats who were denied admission. If they can get to discovery, the university better hope that low level employees are willing to perjure themselves when asked about the reason admissions methods are used. Unless there is a wholesale change at the top, the admission's director's and university president's prior statements about the value and necessity of diversity would be pretty damning evidence

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Interesting that Thomas has not resigned the Supreme Court position that he got via a now-illegal race-based preference.

How was his selection race-based? Do you think Sotomayor’s or Jackson’s was? Do you have anything intelligent to say in response to this post? No? Great, I’m opening a bottle of champagne. Thank you, SCOTUS!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand some of you. Are you upset that Supreme Court overturned a racist law?

This co-opting of the term "racist" is disingenuous. Did you read SC Justice Brown's dissent? There are reasonable disagreements with affirmative action (as well as reasonable justifications for it), but higher education is an important tool in addressing systemic racism in our society that disproportionately affects Black families given the history of slavery, Jim Crow laws and their residual effects in so many ways in present society (disproportionate policing and sentencing for similar crimes is just one example), but also impacts other URMs. Systemic racism will be harder to address without the types of affirmative action policies colleges developed.

So you think it was fair that Brown's kids would have gotten a bump based on race while a white or asian janitor's kid would be dinged for their race?

The janitor's would have gotten a bigger bump based on their income status. But also no matter how rich Brown's kids are--they are still more likely to be stopped by the police, monitored in every store they go into, etc. Racism affects every day life for Black people in this country in a very dramatic way--no matter how rich they are.

Who the @#^&$# is Brown?

SC Justice Ketanji Brown who wrote the dissenting opinion on the case we are discussing.

Colorblind-struck much?

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/nov/01/ketanji-brown-jackson-affirmative-action-higher-education-admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that this helps poor, rural whites. SC decision deplored admitting affluent blacks as a way to increase black enrollment. Kids of all races attending great schools in large MSAs are f*cked.

Where does everyone think this enormous pool of financial aid for poor rural and first gen students is coming from? Sure the Ivys and a few other select schools can afford it, but the majority of colleges need tuition paying students. I guess the most valuable students will shift from full pay URMs to full pay rural and first gen

Endowments, Federal Pell Grants, and maybe some schools going European style, and cutting down on the country club campuses and lowering tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

However, unlike many on this board kept arrogantly asserting, the end of Roberts' opinion clearly specifies that universities MAY NOT use essays or any other soft means to set up essentially the same system in effect today. That means they cannot use a "back door" to still discriminate via soft methods. So, sorry racist people on DCUM, your dreams are shattered lol

There are so many "soft methods" that you can't even imagine.

The elite colleges and universities will continue to amass a super-diverse enrollment. Ha!

Colleges should be very very careful and ask themselves it it's worth the risk.
I see huge potential lawsuts

They have already figured out that first Gen and low income preferences are race neutral. This decision is not going to benefit middle or upper class kids, if anything, will hurt them.

Colleges can't give AA to low-income. They have a budget.

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

However, unlike many on this board kept arrogantly asserting, the end of Roberts' opinion clearly specifies that universities MAY NOT use essays or any other soft means to set up essentially the same system in effect today. That means they cannot use a "back door" to still discriminate via soft methods. So, sorry racist people on DCUM, your dreams are shattered lol

The above arrogant poster is wrong.

Applicants can still write about how their race affected them as an individual in their college app essays.

as long as colleges don't explicitly document that race is why the application went into the "acceptance" pile, this is how they will get around it.

the admission committeee will insruct the underpaid AOs to secretly discriminate on races with some secret codes?

Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Agree. Some of my kids’ AA friends have said as much. People assume they don’t really belong to be there. They work twice as hard to prove them wrong.

I don't see that changing for them, unfortunately. The kids who don't get into Harvard still want to point fingers at those who did, instead of just accepting that they didn't have the combination of whatever factors to make them one of the lucky admits. That won't change.

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Anonymous wrote:wrong has been righted, finally.

[phone] !!!!!