Are public schools everywhere in the US getting bad post-pandemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.

Why are the parents not responsible here?

We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.

Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.

Why are the parents not responsible here?

We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.

Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.

Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.

Why are the parents not responsible here?

We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.

Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.

Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.

D-O-G-E

[Anonymous]

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The solution, for those who can afford it, is to buy into the wealthiest school district (or send your child to private). Those parents have the money to pay for therapies and assessments for their kids, and those schools have slightly better IEP teams and resources to recognize problems and address some of them with services and accommodations (if private school, they're not required to offer the same services as public schools).

This is what we did. Apart from the usual chaotic early elementary years (when parents of kids with issues are scrambling to realize what they're dealing with), none of my kids' classes have had major issues. My oldest is graduating high school this week, so we've done all K-12.

Now this isn't to say that some teachers don't have discipline problems in their class, or that the middle school afternoon bus isn't a war zone. But it's OK. I suspect that level of chaos has always existed in public schools. Our high school has a vaping issue in the bathroom. My high schooler was never bothered by the vapers. It's those types of things. Not kids throwing desks and punching teachers or fighting in the corridor on the daily.

Thank goodness we have public schools so education isn’t restricted to the wealthy. Of course, if you aren’t wealthy, going to a public school may not give you an actual education.

Are you somebody who opposes charter schools or private school vouchers because you think they undercut public schools?

Who wants to tell her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you started this thread. My oldest just finished first grade and I'm a bit shell shocked and overwhelmed. DH and I just can't imagine 11 more years of this. Our teachers have been good, it's just the problems they deal with daily are wild. The classroom spread is huge; one kid was basically a genius and another just came to America a few months ago, didn't know letters and couldn't speak english. The discipline problems are big too.

I remember schools being a magical place filled with bright students who liked to learn, but I was in Gifted. Every school had a regular, honors and then gifted classes, plus ESL for two years until kids learned English. They now have only one class for everyone, so the rich kids have fled to private or sold their homes and moved.

Oh, but we can’t have tracking anymore. That would make the lowest achieving kids (and, more importantly, their parents), Feel Bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad you started this thread. My oldest just finished first grade and I'm a bit shell shocked and overwhelmed. DH and I just can't imagine 11 more years of this. Our teachers have been good, it's just the problems they deal with daily are wild. The classroom spread is huge; one kid was basically a genius and another just came to America a few months ago, didn't know letters and couldn't speak english. The discipline problems are big too.

I remember schools being a magical place filled with bright students who liked to learn, but I was in Gifted. Every school had a regular, honors and then gifted classes, plus ESL for two years until kids learned English. They now have only one class for everyone, so the rich kids have fled to private or sold their homes and moved.

Don’t worry your kid can go to a magnet school by middle school and then never see those esl/ average kids again! In elementary at least he will have some exposure to kids that are different ….kids with special needs, immigrant kids, etc. and you can easily supplement his education outside of school! It’s a win win

Oh, grow up.

not PP

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Anonymous wrote:Schools have been set up to teach to the middle. Keep kids moving ahead and customize plans for any academic or behavioral challenges to keep all kids in a mainstream classroom.

It didn't work for our children. My child needed a non-public with educators trained in special education. We fought long and hard to get him there which cost a ton of money for lawyers and advocates. The average salaried family or below just doesn't have that privilege. Their kids are pushed along with IEPs that make it appear that their child is learning while they become more and more of a behavioral issue. Because, kids who aren't doing well in school don't act well in the classroom.

You end up with parents who are so beaten down by being gaslit and rejected for support by the school system that they drop their kids off at the door and wash their hands of what happens there during the day because if it were their choice, their child would be somewhere more appropriate anyway.

Add the pandemic and lack of staff in general. Half the employees who worked from home for a year didn't want to return to the office and saw no point in it. Why do we believe it would be different for students who were able to learn at home with easy 'A's and an everybody passes mentality?

It will take years for this to be sorted out and even longer to improve it. We chose private schools during the pandemic when they remained open because there were no unions keeping them closed. The kids are just now getting back to what I would consider 'normal'. I can't imagine how long it will take for schools that were closed for 2 years.

This is the absolute antithesis of what I’ve seen, in multiple districts, in multiple states, over decades. Yes, these parents exist, but they are vastly outnumbered by the parents demanding Gen Ed or Bust at all costs, even when ckearly wildly inappropriate.

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Anonymous wrote: Public schools are a joke and beyond the social aspect provide little value.

This is false.

you bet...

Public schools are better than parochial schools and both are way better than home schooling.

for learning?

Yeah. Home school is so poorly regulated in a lot of places that parents can teach kids nothing or even transparently false superstitious nonsense and not be breaking any laws or suffer any consequences. Bill Gothard's "Advance Training Institute" curriculum ("wisdom booklets") used by a lot of homeschoolers for decades, for example, is a joke.

Homeschoolers typically score better than both public and private school students on standardized tests and there are plenty of public school students being taught false superstitious nonsense.

This. Home-schooling has always out performed public education, and even private education most of the time.

The average home-schooled child at 18 is academically equivalent to most graduating College Graduates now.

That's why home-schooling has skyrocketed in the last decade.

LOL.Now quote your “proof,” published and/or funded by a homeschooling organization.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.

Why are the parents not responsible here?

We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.

Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.

Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.

D-O-G-E

Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.

But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.

Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.

Why are the parents not responsible here?

We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.

Yeah, no. But keep it up with the attitude. The tides of public opinion are changing, and the laws, and, more importantly, judicial interpretations of the existing laws, will follow suit. Count on it.

DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.

Why are the parents not responsible here?

We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.

Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.

Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.

D-O-G-E

Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.

But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.

Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?

If you need a babysitter, hire or arrange one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.

Why are the parents not responsible here?

We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.

Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.

Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.

D-O-G-E

Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.

But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.

Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?

We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.

[Anonymous]

If you structured school districts to track the kids who need it into alternative schools designed to address serious academic deficits and behavioral issues, there's no reason this should cost more than schools currently cost. Schools are already spending a ton of money on these kids anyway, just in an ineffectual way that negatively impacts the education of other children. But if we could just be honest about the fact that kids with major behavioral issues, or who are several years behind academically, or who are majorly truant, are not being served in gen ed classrooms and no amount of "equity" is going to produce the same results, then we might actually be able to track kids according to what they need.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Put the disruptive kids in virtual public school and let the well behaved kids meet in person. Would cost virtually nothing and solve everything.

As long as you don't care about the kids, their families, or the impact to society when those kids get older.

Why are the parents not responsible here?

We could say the same thing about you. Pull your own kids out if you don't like inclusive public schools. NT kids are going to be much easier to homeschool or virtual school effectively than those with special needs.

Just close down all public schools and convert them all to virtual. Maybe that should be the free option.

Go right ahead and advocate for that. Let's see how far you get.

D-O-G-E

Elon and Vivek aren't coming to help you on that one. You're going to have to do it yourself.

But people loved virtual during the pandemic, right? Maybe parents will love to hop on board your virtual-for-all plan.

Well, maybe not the people who work. But how many people with kids really have to work?

We really only want this for the disruptive kids. It has broad support.

Yet it remains illegal with no one even willing to attach their name to the idea.