Russia fires missiles into Poland

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Anonymous wrote:I abandoned my New Year’s resolution to show more empathy for imperialist dictators who invaded neighboring sovereign nations for the purpose of annexing said nation by committing war crimes and genocide by February 24. Try as I might I just can’t get past the indiscriminate murder of men, women and children by targeting apartment buildings, schools, churches, daycares, and homes. Mass rape, torture and the abduction of children as an instrument of war is also a dealbreaker.

I think that's what will happen after Russia withdraws from east Ukraine, with reprisals by the Nazi Ukraine battalion.

you think Zelensky, a Jew, would be pro-Nazi Ukrainian battalion?

Wow, the pro-Russian stooges are on fire on this thread.

Prior to the invasion Ukraine's far-right, Nazi sympathizer, extremist problem was widely acknowledged and discussed in the US sources. Zelensky was president then, too. He was a Jew then, too.

It was only after the invasion that Ukraine has overnight transformed from Europe's most corrupt country with a Nazi problem into a brave democracy consumed by yearning for freedom and happiness for all.

Russian bot.

Tell Reuters why don't you.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY

Or NBC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

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What fell down on the Polish border is a fragment of a Russian missile intercepted by Ukraine.

The West will not confirm this was a targeted shot by Russia. Pentagon will say it wants all the facts and it will peter out.

I reported it first and I want my damn credit!

https://twitter.com/MariuszGierszew/status/1592595507427545088

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It was Ukrainian anti-missile that struck Poland.

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Anonymous wrote:I abandoned my New Year’s resolution to show more empathy for imperialist dictators who invaded neighboring sovereign nations for the purpose of annexing said nation by committing war crimes and genocide by February 24. Try as I might I just can’t get past the indiscriminate murder of men, women and children by targeting apartment buildings, schools, churches, daycares, and homes. Mass rape, torture and the abduction of children as an instrument of war is also a dealbreaker.

I think that's what will happen after Russia withdraws from east Ukraine, with reprisals by the Nazi Ukraine battalion.

you think Zelensky, a Jew, would be pro-Nazi Ukrainian battalion?

Wow, the pro-Russian stooges are on fire on this thread.

Prior to the invasion Ukraine's far-right, Nazi sympathizer, extremist problem was widely acknowledged and discussed in the US sources. Zelensky was president then, too. He was a Jew then, too.

It was only after the invasion that Ukraine has overnight transformed from Europe's most corrupt country with a Nazi problem into a brave democracy consumed by yearning for freedom and happiness for all.

Russian bot.

Not.

It sounds like the stuff of Kremlin propaganda, but it’s not. Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country. On June 8, the Ministry announced that it will award C14 a little less than $17,000 for a children’s camp. It also awarded funds to Holosiyiv Hideout and Educational Assembly, both of which have links to the far-right. The revelation represents a dangerous example of law enforcement tacitly accepting or even encouraging the increasing lawlessness of far-right groups willing to use violence against those they don’t like.

Since the beginning of 2018, C14 and other far-right groups such as the Azov-affiliated National Militia, Right Sector, Karpatska Sich, and others have attacked Roma groups several times, as well as anti-fascist demonstrations, city council meetings, an event hosted by Amnesty International, art exhibitions, LGBT events, and environmental activists. On March 8, violent groups launched attacks against International Women’s Day marchers in cities across Ukraine. In only a few of these cases did police do anything to prevent the attacks, and in some they even arrested peaceful demonstrators rather than the actual perpetrators.

International human rights groups have sounded the alarm. After the March 8 attacks, Amnesty International warned that “Ukraine is sinking into a chaos of uncontrolled violence posed by radical groups and their total impunity. Practically no one in the country can feel safe under these conditions.” Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Front Line Defenders warned in a letter that radical groups acting under “a veneer of patriotism” and “traditional values” were allowed to operate under an “atmosphere of near total impunity that cannot but embolden these groups to commit more attacks.”

To be clear, far-right parties like Svoboda perform poorly in Ukraine’s polls and elections, and Ukrainians evince no desire to be ruled by them. But this argument is a bit of “red herring.” It’s not extremists’ electoral prospects that should concern Ukraine’s friends, but rather the state’s unwillingness or inability to confront violent groups and end their impunity. Whether this is due to a continuing sense of indebtedness to some of these groups for fighting the Russians or fear they might turn on the state itself, it’s a real problem and we do no service to Ukraine by sweeping it under the rug.

The anti-democratic ideology these groups espouse runs counter the values of the Euromaidan. Ukrainians took to the streets to confront former President Yanukovych because they wanted to live in a democratic state where everyone is held accountable. Honoring the values of Euromaidan therefore requires Kyiv to protect all citizens, regardless of ethnicity, sexuality, or political views.

Far-right impunity also represents a dangerous threat to Ukraine’s statehood. It’s been long understood in Western political and legal philosophy that the state must have a monopoly on violence in order to be a legitimate state, and when a state loses this monopoly, society starts to break down. Ukraine’s certainly nowhere near this point, but it shouldn’t take any chances either.

The US LEOs have stated that we should be concerned with homegrown nationalist extremists, but Trump wanted to quash that because extremists groups are part of his base.

So, if you are really concerned about extremist groups, then you should definitely not want Trump in power because he normalizes those extremists

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Anonymous wrote:I abandoned my New Year’s resolution to show more empathy for imperialist dictators who invaded neighboring sovereign nations for the purpose of annexing said nation by committing war crimes and genocide by February 24. Try as I might I just can’t get past the indiscriminate murder of men, women and children by targeting apartment buildings, schools, churches, daycares, and homes. Mass rape, torture and the abduction of children as an instrument of war is also a dealbreaker.

I think that's what will happen after Russia withdraws from east Ukraine, with reprisals by the Nazi Ukraine battalion.

you think Zelensky, a Jew, would be pro-Nazi Ukrainian battalion?

Wow, the pro-Russian stooges are on fire on this thread.

Prior to the invasion Ukraine's far-right, Nazi sympathizer, extremist problem was widely acknowledged and discussed in the US sources. Zelensky was president then, too. He was a Jew then, too.

It was only after the invasion that Ukraine has overnight transformed from Europe's most corrupt country with a Nazi problem into a brave democracy consumed by yearning for freedom and happiness for all.

Russian bot.

Not.

It sounds like the stuff of Kremlin propaganda, but it’s not. Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country. On June 8, the Ministry announced that it will award C14 a little less than $17,000 for a children’s camp. It also awarded funds to Holosiyiv Hideout and Educational Assembly, both of which have links to the far-right. The revelation represents a dangerous example of law enforcement tacitly accepting or even encouraging the increasing lawlessness of far-right groups willing to use violence against those they don’t like.

Since the beginning of 2018, C14 and other far-right groups such as the Azov-affiliated National Militia, Right Sector, Karpatska Sich, and others have attacked Roma groups several times, as well as anti-fascist demonstrations, city council meetings, an event hosted by Amnesty International, art exhibitions, LGBT events, and environmental activists. On March 8, violent groups launched attacks against International Women’s Day marchers in cities across Ukraine. In only a few of these cases did police do anything to prevent the attacks, and in some they even arrested peaceful demonstrators rather than the actual perpetrators.

International human rights groups have sounded the alarm. After the March 8 attacks, Amnesty International warned that “Ukraine is sinking into a chaos of uncontrolled violence posed by radical groups and their total impunity. Practically no one in the country can feel safe under these conditions.” Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Front Line Defenders warned in a letter that radical groups acting under “a veneer of patriotism” and “traditional values” were allowed to operate under an “atmosphere of near total impunity that cannot but embolden these groups to commit more attacks.”

To be clear, far-right parties like Svoboda perform poorly in Ukraine’s polls and elections, and Ukrainians evince no desire to be ruled by them. But this argument is a bit of “red herring.” It’s not extremists’ electoral prospects that should concern Ukraine’s friends, but rather the state’s unwillingness or inability to confront violent groups and end their impunity. Whether this is due to a continuing sense of indebtedness to some of these groups for fighting the Russians or fear they might turn on the state itself, it’s a real problem and we do no service to Ukraine by sweeping it under the rug.

The anti-democratic ideology these groups espouse runs counter the values of the Euromaidan. Ukrainians took to the streets to confront former President Yanukovych because they wanted to live in a democratic state where everyone is held accountable. Honoring the values of Euromaidan therefore requires Kyiv to protect all citizens, regardless of ethnicity, sexuality, or political views.

Far-right impunity also represents a dangerous threat to Ukraine’s statehood. It’s been long understood in Western political and legal philosophy that the state must have a monopoly on violence in order to be a legitimate state, and when a state loses this monopoly, society starts to break down. Ukraine’s certainly nowhere near this point, but it shouldn’t take any chances either.

The US LEOs have stated that we should be concerned with homegrown nationalist extremists, but Trump wanted to quash that because extremists groups are part of his base.

So, if you are really concerned about extremist groups, then you should definitely not want Trump in power because he normalizes those extremists

Where is the whataboutism charge? Don't see it here!

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Anonymous wrote:I abandoned my New Year’s resolution to show more empathy for imperialist dictators who invaded neighboring sovereign nations for the purpose of annexing said nation by committing war crimes and genocide by February 24. Try as I might I just can’t get past the indiscriminate murder of men, women and children by targeting apartment buildings, schools, churches, daycares, and homes. Mass rape, torture and the abduction of children as an instrument of war is also a dealbreaker.

I think that's what will happen after Russia withdraws from east Ukraine, with reprisals by the Nazi Ukraine battalion.

you think Zelensky, a Jew, would be pro-Nazi Ukrainian battalion?

Wow, the pro-Russian stooges are on fire on this thread.

Prior to the invasion Ukraine's far-right, Nazi sympathizer, extremist problem was widely acknowledged and discussed in the US sources. Zelensky was president then, too. He was a Jew then, too.

It was only after the invasion that Ukraine has overnight transformed from Europe's most corrupt country with a Nazi problem into a brave democracy consumed by yearning for freedom and happiness for all.

Russian bot.

Tell Reuters why don't you.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY

Or NBC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

ok, but that still doesn't change the fact that Zelensky is a Jew. You think a Jew would be fine with neoNazis?

We also have neoNazis in the military. Do you think Biden is ok with that? was Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:I abandoned my New Year’s resolution to show more empathy for imperialist dictators who invaded neighboring sovereign nations for the purpose of annexing said nation by committing war crimes and genocide by February 24. Try as I might I just can’t get past the indiscriminate murder of men, women and children by targeting apartment buildings, schools, churches, daycares, and homes. Mass rape, torture and the abduction of children as an instrument of war is also a dealbreaker.

I think that's what will happen after Russia withdraws from east Ukraine, with reprisals by the Nazi Ukraine battalion.

you think Zelensky, a Jew, would be pro-Nazi Ukrainian battalion?

Wow, the pro-Russian stooges are on fire on this thread.

Prior to the invasion Ukraine's far-right, Nazi sympathizer, extremist problem was widely acknowledged and discussed in the US sources. Zelensky was president then, too. He was a Jew then, too.

It was only after the invasion that Ukraine has overnight transformed from Europe's most corrupt country with a Nazi problem into a brave democracy consumed by yearning for freedom and happiness for all.

Russian bot.

Not.

It sounds like the stuff of Kremlin propaganda, but it’s not. Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country. On June 8, the Ministry announced that it will award C14 a little less than $17,000 for a children’s camp. It also awarded funds to Holosiyiv Hideout and Educational Assembly, both of which have links to the far-right. The revelation represents a dangerous example of law enforcement tacitly accepting or even encouraging the increasing lawlessness of far-right groups willing to use violence against those they don’t like.

Since the beginning of 2018, C14 and other far-right groups such as the Azov-affiliated National Militia, Right Sector, Karpatska Sich, and others have attacked Roma groups several times, as well as anti-fascist demonstrations, city council meetings, an event hosted by Amnesty International, art exhibitions, LGBT events, and environmental activists. On March 8, violent groups launched attacks against International Women’s Day marchers in cities across Ukraine. In only a few of these cases did police do anything to prevent the attacks, and in some they even arrested peaceful demonstrators rather than the actual perpetrators.

International human rights groups have sounded the alarm. After the March 8 attacks, Amnesty International warned that “Ukraine is sinking into a chaos of uncontrolled violence posed by radical groups and their total impunity. Practically no one in the country can feel safe under these conditions.” Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Front Line Defenders warned in a letter that radical groups acting under “a veneer of patriotism” and “traditional values” were allowed to operate under an “atmosphere of near total impunity that cannot but embolden these groups to commit more attacks.”

To be clear, far-right parties like Svoboda perform poorly in Ukraine’s polls and elections, and Ukrainians evince no desire to be ruled by them. But this argument is a bit of “red herring.” It’s not extremists’ electoral prospects that should concern Ukraine’s friends, but rather the state’s unwillingness or inability to confront violent groups and end their impunity. Whether this is due to a continuing sense of indebtedness to some of these groups for fighting the Russians or fear they might turn on the state itself, it’s a real problem and we do no service to Ukraine by sweeping it under the rug.

The anti-democratic ideology these groups espouse runs counter the values of the Euromaidan. Ukrainians took to the streets to confront former President Yanukovych because they wanted to live in a democratic state where everyone is held accountable. Honoring the values of Euromaidan therefore requires Kyiv to protect all citizens, regardless of ethnicity, sexuality, or political views.

Far-right impunity also represents a dangerous threat to Ukraine’s statehood. It’s been long understood in Western political and legal philosophy that the state must have a monopoly on violence in order to be a legitimate state, and when a state loses this monopoly, society starts to break down. Ukraine’s certainly nowhere near this point, but it shouldn’t take any chances either.

The US LEOs have stated that we should be concerned with homegrown nationalist extremists, but Trump wanted to quash that because extremists groups are part of his base.

So, if you are really concerned about extremist groups, then you should definitely not want Trump in power because he normalizes those extremists

Where is the whataboutism charge? Don't see it here!

it's not whataboutism.

There have been posts on here about how Trump is anit-war, so if you are anti-extremists, then don't support Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I abandoned my New Year’s resolution to show more empathy for imperialist dictators who invaded neighboring sovereign nations for the purpose of annexing said nation by committing war crimes and genocide by February 24. Try as I might I just can’t get past the indiscriminate murder of men, women and children by targeting apartment buildings, schools, churches, daycares, and homes. Mass rape, torture and the abduction of children as an instrument of war is also a dealbreaker.

I think that's what will happen after Russia withdraws from east Ukraine, with reprisals by the Nazi Ukraine battalion.

you think Zelensky, a Jew, would be pro-Nazi Ukrainian battalion?

Wow, the pro-Russian stooges are on fire on this thread.

Prior to the invasion Ukraine's far-right, Nazi sympathizer, extremist problem was widely acknowledged and discussed in the US sources. Zelensky was president then, too. He was a Jew then, too.

It was only after the invasion that Ukraine has overnight transformed from Europe's most corrupt country with a Nazi problem into a brave democracy consumed by yearning for freedom and happiness for all.

Russian bot.

Tell Reuters why don't you.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY

Or NBC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

ok, but that still doesn't change the fact that Zelensky is a Jew. You think a Jew would be fine with neoNazis?

We also have neoNazis in the military. Do you think Biden is ok with that? was Trump?

I don't know what to tell you but I note you have moved closer toward acknowledging that Neonazis do exist in Ukraine. Two answers come to mind immediately while the rest are queuing behind:

1) Zelensky is fine with neoNazis.

2) NeoNazis don't care if he's fine or not.

2) Neo

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Anonymous wrote:Why ar the right wing such surrender monkeys?

Surrender?

Pfffft, I HOPE it goes nuclear. Nothing would be better for this country than to have the top dozen or two largest cities turned into dust (along with all those blue votes!).

Dems are pushing us to nuclear war, and I hope it happens.

You can’t mean that or you clearly do not live in the DMV with your children. This is insanity and we must collectively demand our political leaders pull us back from the brink of nuclear war.

I absolutely 100% mean it.

I hope you dems get the nuclear war you’re pushing for. Because it’s going to wipe out 50 million of your voters.

You should probably reflect on why you are cheering on the violent deaths of 50 million innocent people. You've got a serious problem and you need to deal with that.

I want blue voters to get exactly what they voted for.

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What fell down on the Polish border is a fragment of a Russian missile intercepted by Ukraine.

The West will not confirm this was a targeted shot by Russia. Pentagon will say it wants all the facts and it will peter out.

I reported it first and I want my damn credit!

https://twitter.com/MariuszGierszew/status/1592595507427545088

English?

It was Ukrainian anti-missile that struck Poland.

"My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine."

This is the part where I say "I told you so." Damn it feels good to be right.

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Anonymous wrote:Can all of you people who want war with Russia just go over there and join the fight instead of trying to drag the rest of us into this?

For the tenth time, no one is going to be drafted to fight a NATO-Russia conflict.

It would take an act of Congress.

No one will be drafted because a NATO vs Russia war will quickly escalate to nuclear weapons and we will all be dead. And those that survive will envy the dead.

Why do countries have nuclear war? This board is full of people spouting “Putin is evil” and “Putin is hitler” rhetoric … um, if you believe that maybe DON’T let us blithely walk into war against him?

Or let me put it this way for the people who can’t seem to snap out of their WW2 fantasies …

If Hitler had access to thousands of thermonuclear weapons as he was surrounded and facing imminent defeat in his bunker in Berlin in 1945, what do you think he would have done?

Why risk this insanity?

ok so if Putin wants to take over the US I guess we should let him or else he'll nuke the US and we'd be dead. Better to live under Putin's regime than be dead, right?

No - we save nuclear weapons ONLY for use as necessary to save the nation from an existential threat. So, if any country launched and invasion of the United States (laughably insane) AND if conventional forces couldn’t stop them, only then would use of nuclear weapons be on the table.

What people need is EMPATHY with Russia. Not sympathy — empathy. Put yourself in their shoes. They are fighting a war on their border. If we push their backs against the wall with overwhelming them by conventional forces — that’s an existential threat to them - that’s precisely when they would use nuclear weapons. The war is way, way, way more important for Russia - it’s existential for them. We should be doing all we can to DEESCALATE this.

Because I really don’t want my family to die for Donbass.

Again, all you people with the overwrought Putin-as-Hitler tropes don’t seem to be asking the obvious question: what would Hitler have done with thousands of thermonuclear weapons? What would he have done if the German state was collapsing and he knew he would soon be killed and all he had to do was push a button and bring the whole temple down like Samson?

Think, people.

That's not why we used them last time.

Do you know that?

Yes, I’m well aware of that. We used two nuclear weapons on Japan in 1945 when neither the territorial integrity of the United States, or the survival of the U.S. government, were seriously threatened. We firebombed 67 Japanese cities and killed millions of Japanese civilians, in a war that was kicked off by losing about 3,000 U.S. military servicemen at Pearl Harbor (a territory of the USA at the time).

Should we have firebombed all those civilians to death? And then dropped nuclear weapons on them when we were no longer facing an existential threat (if indeed we ever were vis-a-vis Japan)? I don’t know. Here’s what the hippy peacenik Robert McNamara, former U.S. Secretary of Defense who also served in WW2 thought about it:

https://youtu.be/gekdt0QwFQw

In any case — we firebombed and nuked Japanese cities when we were under far less pressure and duress than one can easily see Russia will be under if NATO goes to war with them.

Remind me again why Putin is more saintly than Americans in 1945? Why wouldn’t he vaporize American cities as well? Especially if his back is against the wall or if he’s facing imminent defeat and death?

I don’t think there can be “victory” against a global nuclear power. Hence the need for diplomacy.

The kindergarten level of understanding being displayed by the war-mongers would be laughable if it didn’t risk getting us all killed.

That's the world we live in. There are no decisionmakers on this board, including you. So you may as well quit your feckless handwringing and whining.

This whole message board is feckless handwringing and whining, then.

Call your congressional representatives and tell them to push the State Dept to do it’s job and engage in diplomacy to end this conflict and—more importantly and above all—keep us out of a catastrophic war with Russia.

The simplemindedness of this makes me sad. Ukraine is an independent nation. The US doesn’t get to dictate how much of its pre-2014 territories Ukraine should cede to Putin. The Ukrainians are fighting this war in the name of their sovereignty and rule of law. Last I checked there are no US or other NATO forces directly engaged in hostilities with Russia or its client states. And yet Biden and the State Department have built greater cohesiveness among our NATO slluesxwhile committing to a common defense of Europe and democratic principles. It’s something that China is watching carefully.

Ukraine has the upper hand in terms of the battlefield and a cessation of hostilities would benefit nobody other than Putin in terms of his domestic standing. His army is on the brink of collapse with mobilized troops being used as little more than cannon fodder. They are being paid by their regional governments. They are being properly trained or equipped. They aren’t being fed. Giving Russiavany breathing room only ensures that it can attempt to reconstitute its forces with reserves to strengthen its hand after the adoring thaw. The idea Putin will accept terms less than all of the “annexed” lands in which he sponsored a sham referendum is incredibly naive. His biggest fear is losing Crimea snd its Black Sea warm weather ports and yet Ukraine is about to be able to sever all land routes needed to resupply Crimea. I wonder why you’re so intent on lending a helping hand to a cruel, murderous dictator?

Yet here you are arguing they'll take Europe second, Asia third, US next and then what? maybe Mars?

You do realize that all of the posts with which you might disagree are not from the same poster? Right?

And, by the way, Ukraine is Europe. Not to mention the Russian dispute with Japan over the Northern Territories (Kuril Islands). If you don’t think Putin hasn’t drawn up contingency plans for Finland, Transnistra (Molodova) and the Baltics then you’re not very good at this. Putin has been Madeline in the affairs of the former Yugoslavia for years — particularly Serbia and Montenegro — and has allied himself with Orban and far right factions in Hungary, which provides a European base of operations for the SVU. Putin has backed a multitude of the anti-democracy far-right movements throughout Europe. Being a glib smartsss doesn’t alter the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Can all of you people who want war with Russia just go over there and join the fight instead of trying to drag the rest of us into this?

For the tenth time, no one is going to be drafted to fight a NATO-Russia conflict.

It would take an act of Congress.

No one will be drafted because a NATO vs Russia war will quickly escalate to nuclear weapons and we will all be dead. And those that survive will envy the dead.

Why do countries have nuclear war? This board is full of people spouting “Putin is evil” and “Putin is hitler” rhetoric … um, if you believe that maybe DON’T let us blithely walk into war against him?

Or let me put it this way for the people who can’t seem to snap out of their WW2 fantasies …

If Hitler had access to thousands of thermonuclear weapons as he was surrounded and facing imminent defeat in his bunker in Berlin in 1945, what do you think he would have done?

Why risk this insanity?

ok so if Putin wants to take over the US I guess we should let him or else he'll nuke the US and we'd be dead. Better to live under Putin's regime than be dead, right?

No - we save nuclear weapons ONLY for use as necessary to save the nation from an existential threat. So, if any country launched and invasion of the United States (laughably insane) AND if conventional forces couldn’t stop them, only then would use of nuclear weapons be on the table.

What people need is EMPATHY with Russia. Not sympathy — empathy. Put yourself in their shoes. They are fighting a war on their border. If we push their backs against the wall with overwhelming them by conventional forces — that’s an existential threat to them - that’s precisely when they would use nuclear weapons. The war is way, way, way more important for Russia - it’s existential for them. We should be doing all we can to DEESCALATE this.

Because I really don’t want my family to die for Donbass.

Again, all you people with the overwrought Putin-as-Hitler tropes don’t seem to be asking the obvious question: what would Hitler have done with thousands of thermonuclear weapons? What would he have done if the German state was collapsing and he knew he would soon be killed and all he had to do was push a button and bring the whole temple down like Samson?

Think, people.

That's not why we used them last time.

Do you know that?

Yes, I’m well aware of that. We used two nuclear weapons on Japan in 1945 when neither the territorial integrity of the United States, or the survival of the U.S. government, were seriously threatened. We firebombed 67 Japanese cities and killed millions of Japanese civilians, in a war that was kicked off by losing about 3,000 U.S. military servicemen at Pearl Harbor (a territory of the USA at the time).

Should we have firebombed all those civilians to death? And then dropped nuclear weapons on them when we were no longer facing an existential threat (if indeed we ever were vis-a-vis Japan)? I don’t know. Here’s what the hippy peacenik Robert McNamara, former U.S. Secretary of Defense who also served in WW2 thought about it:

https://youtu.be/gekdt0QwFQw

In any case — we firebombed and nuked Japanese cities when we were under far less pressure and duress than one can easily see Russia will be under if NATO goes to war with them.

Remind me again why Putin is more saintly than Americans in 1945? Why wouldn’t he vaporize American cities as well? Especially if his back is against the wall or if he’s facing imminent defeat and death?

I don’t think there can be “victory” against a global nuclear power. Hence the need for diplomacy.

The kindergarten level of understanding being displayed by the war-mongers would be laughable if it didn’t risk getting us all killed.

That's the world we live in. There are no decisionmakers on this board, including you. So you may as well quit your feckless handwringing and whining.

This whole message board is feckless handwringing and whining, then.

Call your congressional representatives and tell them to push the State Dept to do it’s job and engage in diplomacy to end this conflict and—more importantly and above all—keep us out of a catastrophic war with Russia.

The simplemindedness of this makes me sad. Ukraine is an independent nation. The US doesn’t get to dictate how much of its pre-2014 territories Ukraine should cede to Putin. The Ukrainians are fighting this war in the name of their sovereignty and rule of law. Last I checked there are no US or other NATO forces directly engaged in hostilities with Russia or its client states. And yet Biden and the State Department have built greater cohesiveness among our NATO slluesxwhile committing to a common defense of Europe and democratic principles. It’s something that China is watching carefully.

Ukraine has the upper hand in terms of the battlefield and a cessation of hostilities would benefit nobody other than Putin in terms of his domestic standing. His army is on the brink of collapse with mobilized troops being used as little more than cannon fodder. They are being paid by their regional governments. They are being properly trained or equipped. They aren’t being fed. Giving Russiavany breathing room only ensures that it can attempt to reconstitute its forces with reserves to strengthen its hand after the adoring thaw. The idea Putin will accept terms less than all of the “annexed” lands in which he sponsored a sham referendum is incredibly naive. His biggest fear is losing Crimea snd its Black Sea warm weather ports and yet Ukraine is about to be able to sever all land routes needed to resupply Crimea. I wonder why you’re so intent on lending a helping hand to a cruel, murderous dictator?

Yet here you are arguing they'll take Europe second, Asia third, US next and then what? maybe Mars?

You do realize that all of the posts with which you might disagree are not from the same poster? Right?

And, by the way, Ukraine is Europe. Not to mention the Russian dispute with Japan over the Northern Territories (Kuril Islands). If you don’t think Putin hasn’t drawn up contingency plans for Finland, Transnistra (Molodova) and the Baltics then you’re not very good at this. Putin has been Madeline in the affairs of the former Yugoslavia for years — particularly Serbia and Montenegro — and has allied himself with Orban and far right factions in Hungary, which provides a European base of operations for the SVU. Putin has backed a multitude of the anti-democracy far-right movements throughout Europe. Being a glib smartsss doesn’t alter the facts.

Do I really need to list every dictator, killer or coup the US has ever supported or shall we move directly to the whataboutism phase of our regular nightly programming?

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Anonymous wrote:I abandoned my New Year’s resolution to show more empathy for imperialist dictators who invaded neighboring sovereign nations for the purpose of annexing said nation by committing war crimes and genocide by February 24. Try as I might I just can’t get past the indiscriminate murder of men, women and children by targeting apartment buildings, schools, churches, daycares, and homes. Mass rape, torture and the abduction of children as an instrument of war is also a dealbreaker.

I think that's what will happen after Russia withdraws from east Ukraine, with reprisals by the Nazi Ukraine battalion.

you think Zelensky, a Jew, would be pro-Nazi Ukrainian battalion?

Wow, the pro-Russian stooges are on fire on this thread.

Prior to the invasion Ukraine's far-right, Nazi sympathizer, extremist problem was widely acknowledged and discussed in the US sources. Zelensky was president then, too. He was a Jew then, too.

It was only after the invasion that Ukraine has overnight transformed from Europe's most corrupt country with a Nazi problem into a brave democracy consumed by yearning for freedom and happiness for all.

Russian bot.

Tell Reuters why don't you.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY

Or NBC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

ok, but that still doesn't change the fact that Zelensky is a Jew. You think a Jew would be fine with neoNazis?

We also have neoNazis in the military. Do you think Biden is ok with that? was Trump?

I don't know what to tell you but I note you have moved closer toward acknowledging that Neonazis do exist in Ukraine. Two answers come to mind immediately while the rest are queuing behind:

1) Zelensky is fine with neoNazis.

2) NeoNazis don't care if he's fine or not.

2) Neo

I don't think anyone said that neoNazis don't exist in Ukraine. They exist in Russia. They exist in the US.

But, the premise of Putin ridding Ukraine of neoNazis is BS.

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What fell down on the Polish border is a fragment of a Russian missile intercepted by Ukraine.

The West will not confirm this was a targeted shot by Russia. Pentagon will say it wants all the facts and it will peter out.

I reported it first and I want my damn credit!

https://twitter.com/MariuszGierszew/status/1592595507427545088

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It was Ukrainian anti-missile that struck Poland.

"My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine."

This is the part where I say "I told you so." Damn it feels good to be right.

So, you’re doing a victory dance because it is your contention that a UKR SAM is the same thing as an errant, and possibly intercepted, RUS cruise missile? As my fourth grade teacher would admonish: check your work.

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Anonymous wrote:Why ar the right wing such surrender monkeys?

Surrender?

Pfffft, I HOPE it goes nuclear. Nothing would be better for this country than to have the top dozen or two largest cities turned into dust (along with all those blue votes!).

Dems are pushing us to nuclear war, and I hope it happens.

You can’t mean that or you clearly do not live in the DMV with your children. This is insanity and we must collectively demand our political leaders pull us back from the brink of nuclear war.

I absolutely 100% mean it.

I hope you dems get the nuclear war you’re pushing for. Because it’s going to wipe out 50 million of your voters.

You should probably reflect on why you are cheering on the violent deaths of 50 million innocent people. You've got a serious problem and you need to deal with that.

I want blue voters to get exactly what they voted for.

So should red voters. They should be forced to have their rapists' babies, and not have access to the medicaid expansion. But, alas, it doesn't work that way.

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Anonymous wrote:I abandoned my New Year’s resolution to show more empathy for imperialist dictators who invaded neighboring sovereign nations for the purpose of annexing said nation by committing war crimes and genocide by February 24. Try as I might I just can’t get past the indiscriminate murder of men, women and children by targeting apartment buildings, schools, churches, daycares, and homes. Mass rape, torture and the abduction of children as an instrument of war is also a dealbreaker.

I think that's what will happen after Russia withdraws from east Ukraine, with reprisals by the Nazi Ukraine battalion.

you think Zelensky, a Jew, would be pro-Nazi Ukrainian battalion?

Wow, the pro-Russian stooges are on fire on this thread.

Prior to the invasion Ukraine's far-right, Nazi sympathizer, extremist problem was widely acknowledged and discussed in the US sources. Zelensky was president then, too. He was a Jew then, too.

It was only after the invasion that Ukraine has overnight transformed from Europe's most corrupt country with a Nazi problem into a brave democracy consumed by yearning for freedom and happiness for all.

Russian bot.

Tell Reuters why don't you.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY

Or NBC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946

ok, but that still doesn't change the fact that Zelensky is a Jew. You think a Jew would be fine with neoNazis?

We also have neoNazis in the military. Do you think Biden is ok with that? was Trump?

I don't know what to tell you but I note you have moved closer toward acknowledging that Neonazis do exist in Ukraine. Two answers come to mind immediately while the rest are queuing behind:

1) Zelensky is fine with neoNazis.

2) NeoNazis don't care if he's fine or not.

2) Neo

I don't think anyone said that neoNazis don't exist in Ukraine. They exist in Russia. They exist in the US.

But, the premise of Putin ridding Ukraine of neoNazis is BS.

Why yes indeed, someone did say just that, and called me a Russian bot for saying Ukraine has a neoNazi problem.

Now it looks like the conversation has moved into the phase best described as "don't bother me with your silly facts".