“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So we are basically saying down goes Roe and to follow will be:

Brown v The Board of Education
Loving v Virginia
Obergefell v. Hodges

These will all be overturned at the federal level and be left up to the States. That is my take on things.


If the states hold all the power, perhaps they will secede from the US. I'm ready for it.
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Anonymous wrote:Anyway question stands… can someone please restate the logic behind the conclusion that there are no fundamental rights at stake in this case?

I’ll wait.


We had that discussion all day yesterday. It’s a stupid argument but Alito says there is no right to abortion because it wasn’t acknowledged as a right in most of history. Literally, not “deeply rooted in history.” He’s actually wrong about that. Somehow, he believes there can be no new or expanded recognition of rights that previously were denied. So since he says there is no right to abortion, he says states are allowed to do whatever they want to do to restrict abortion.


What is listed in the constitution as "fundamental rights" that are "deeply rooted in history" other than those listed in the bill of rights? If other "rights" are not fundamental and not rooted in history then I guess we can just get rid of those too right?


Certainly no fundamental right to homeschool or send your kids to private religious school. Framers never said anything at all about schooling, actually. States should be free to compel public school attendance like some European nations do. It would be good for kids, good for the country, and good for the schools. Bad for indoctrination and billionaires, of course.
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Anonymous wrote:Amazon’s offering up to $4k in travel expenses to help women cover the expense of having to go to a different state for medical care.


It's fine because very few professional people have abortions as they use bc


Newsflash: The majority of Amazon's 1M+ employees are not "professionals".
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So we are basically saying down goes Roe and to follow will be:

Brown v The Board of Education
Loving v Virginia
Obergefell v. Hodges

These will all be overturned at the federal level and be left up to the States. That is my take on things.


Agreed. Segregation, interracial marriage and gay marriage are all toast if this opinion issues.


So what do we do to prepare if we are in an interracial marriage and have interracial kids? Are we no longer considered married? Our marriage benefits no longer apply?


and who can inter-racial kids marry? I think we can look to Louisiana history for that. At one time, you were Black if you were 1/8th black. So interracial kids could only marry black or interracial people. THis is so sick.


So we'll have a bunch of backwards states full of white Christian conservatives, and everyone else will flock to the coasts like they already have been doing.


Yeah but those backward white states will keep their same amount of senators and representatives while the representatives on the coast will keep representing millions and millions of people instead of the 300 that Montana does
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So we are basically saying down goes Roe and to follow will be:

Brown v The Board of Education
Loving v Virginia
Obergefell v. Hodges

These will all be overturned at the federal level and be left up to the States. That is my take on things.


If the states hold all the power, perhaps they will secede from the US. I'm ready for it.


Logically, that is where we are headed. At some point, the only thing the fed government will be doing for us is to provide military defense.
Anonymous
Wow it's almost like letting judges create laws without push back means they could also toss away those same laws.

Who could have foreseen such a obvious turn of events aside from anyone with any hint of pattern recognition whatsoever.

If decide to let judges legislate from the bench, they will inevitably do so in a way that you don't agree with.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Wow it's almost like letting judges create laws without push back means they could also toss away those same laws.

Who could have foreseen such a obvious turn of events aside from anyone with any hint of pattern recognition whatsoever.

If decide to let judges legislate from the bench, they will inevitably do so in a way that you don't agree with.


Roe didn’t legislate any rights away. Nice try.
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So we'll have a bunch of backwards states full of white Christian conservatives, and everyone else will flock to the coasts like they already have been doing.

As opposed to a bunch of backwater states full of non-whites with smug white leftists like you desperately trying to get out after they realize 3rd world populations equal 3rd world levels of violence?


Wow your racism is showing
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Amazon’s offering up to $4k in travel expenses to help women cover the expense of having to go to a different state for medical care.


It's fine because very few professional people have abortions as they use bc


You cannot be serious.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Amazon’s offering up to $4k in travel expenses to help women cover the expense of having to go to a different state for medical care.


It's fine because very few professional people have abortions as they use bc


Newsflash: The majority of Amazon's 1M+ employees are not "professionals".



Birth control use is closely correlated to income and education. This should not come as a surprise because of our rubbish healthcare system. Women must have a prescription for birth control. Condoms are not as reliable. So we should qualify that quality birth control requires a prescription. Also some prescription birth control is not available to low income women, such as LARC (long acting reversible birth control) is largely only available to women with good health insurance. GOP state legislators often block funding/access to better birth control for lower income women because they want to make sure women “don’t sleep around.” I think this is what so infuriating to me about the GOP; they want to outlaw abortion AND reduce access to birth control. It runs counter to their goals. If you increase access to birth control, you will reduce abortion, increase education levels of women while reducing the probability of welfare and Medicaid.

Women improve their lives if they can control when they have kids!
Anonymous
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So we'll have a bunch of backwards states full of white Christian conservatives, and everyone else will flock to the coasts like they already have been doing.

As opposed to a bunch of backwater states full of non-whites with smug white leftists like you desperately trying to get out after they realize 3rd world populations equal 3rd world levels of violence?


Wow your racism is showing


Calling white christians backwards isn't racist, though?

Nah, I think I can tell real what is and isn't actual racism just fine.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Amazon’s offering up to $4k in travel expenses to help women cover the expense of having to go to a different state for medical care.


It's fine because very few professional people have abortions as they use bc


You are kidding right because I have quite a few friends who had had "oops babies" in their late 30's early 40s. all "professional" women.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
So we'll have a bunch of backwards states full of white Christian conservatives, and everyone else will flock to the coasts like they already have been doing.

As opposed to a bunch of backwater states full of non-whites with smug white leftists like you desperately trying to get out after they realize 3rd world populations equal 3rd world levels of violence?


Wow your racism is showing


Calling white christians backwards isn't racist, though?

Nah, I think I can tell real what is and isn't actual racism just fine.


last I checked Christianity isn't a race.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
So we'll have a bunch of backwards states full of white Christian conservatives, and everyone else will flock to the coasts like they already have been doing.

As opposed to a bunch of backwater states full of non-whites with smug white leftists like you desperately trying to get out after they realize 3rd world populations equal 3rd world levels of violence?


Wow your racism is showing


Calling white christians backwards isn't racist, though?

Nah, I think I can tell real what is and isn't actual racism just fine.


last I checked Christianity isn't a race.


Wow, it's almost like that was only one of two words you quoted. Say, what was the other one again?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Amazon’s offering up to $4k in travel expenses to help women cover the expense of having to go to a different state for medical care.


It's fine because very few professional people have abortions as they use bc


Newsflash: The majority of Amazon's 1M+ employees are not "professionals".


Also dogwhistle. Many professional people have abortions. How ridiculous.
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