Jeff may have blood in his hands if there is another zoo shooting next year

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has run its course. Bottom line is that the "neighborhod" wants the event shut down even if there wasn't any violence.

We will agree to disagree. Good-night.

Some of the gorillas in the zoo display more intelligence than you do. We can certainly agree to disagree.

This is the sort of stupid-a@# incendiary comment that discredits a discussion of a serious problem.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand posters like poster 21:20. To make you argument, you embellish the truth or outright lie. There has not been annual violence at this event, but I guess if you say it and write it often enough it becomes your reality.

Also, throughout this thread and the original thread there have been overt racist posts regarding the event. However, when the poster responded in kind to remind you of violence committed by white youth, you assert that that stuff is out of bounds. So is it safe to believe that at least in DCUM world, there are no limits to what can be said and/ or imputed to the Black community. The same cannot and should not be mentioned about he white community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand posters like poster 21:20. To make you argument, you embellish the truth or outright lie. There has not been annual violence at this event, but I guess if you say it and write it often enough it becomes your reality.

Also, throughout this thread and the original thread there have been overt racist posts regarding the event. However, when the poster responded in kind to remind you of violence committed by white youth, you assert that that stuff is out of bounds. So is it safe to believe that at least in DCUM world, there are no limits to what can be said and/ or imputed to the Black community. The same cannot and should not be mentioned about he white community.

Please. Who defends school shooters? Or military base shooters? I can't even remember what their races have been. But what we should, as a society be doing about mental health treatment and serious gun control, We need to take practical steps to make the "family day" event safer. Some have suggested a ticketed event or one strictly for young kids and their families. If you only want to consider security measures, how about stop and frisk?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand posters like poster 21:20. To make you argument, you embellish the truth or outright lie. There has not been annual violence at this event, but I guess if you say it and write it often enough it becomes your reality.

Also, throughout this thread and the original thread there have been overt racist posts regarding the event. However, when the poster responded in kind to remind you of violence committed by white youth, you assert that that stuff is out of bounds. So is it safe to believe that at least in DCUM world, there are no limits to what can be said and/ or imputed to the Black community. The same cannot and should not be mentioned about he white community.

Please. Who defends school shooters? Or military base shooters? I can't even remember what their races have been. But what we should, as a society be doing about mental health treatment and serious gun control, We need to take practical steps to make the "family day" event safer. Some have suggested a ticketed event or one strictly for young kids and their families. If you only want to consider security measures, how about stop and frisk?

Gun violence IS down. Way down according to Pew Reserch.
White boy shooters and stabbers are mentally ill?
Same assessment for black boys?
Suggest what you'd like for "mental health treatment."

[Anonymous]

Latest zoo shooting update, borrowed from the other thread
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand posters like poster 21:20. To make you argument, you embellish the truth or outright lie. There has not been annual violence at this event, but I guess if you say it and write it often enough it becomes your reality.

Also, throughout this thread and the original thread there have been overt racist posts regarding the event. However, when the poster responded in kind to remind you of violence committed by white youth, you assert that that stuff is out of bounds. So is it safe to believe that at least in DCUM world, there are no limits to what can be said and/ or imputed to the Black community. The same cannot and should not be mentioned about he white community.

Please. Who defends school shooters? Or military base shooters? I can't even remember what their races have been. But what we should, as a society be doing about mental health treatment and serious gun control, We need to take practical steps to make the "family day" event safer. Some have suggested a ticketed event or one strictly for young kids and their families. If you only want to consider security measures, how about stop and frisk?

Gun violence IS down. Way down according to Pew Reserch.
White boy shooters and stabbers are mentally ill?
Same assessment for black boys?
Suggest what you'd like for "mental health treatment."

If you've followed the coverage of mass shootings, it's clear that the mental health system failed several of the assailants. I am not aware that race has anything to do with it. As I recall, the Navy Yard shooter (black) was clearly loco and yet everyone ignored the warning signs and issued him a security clearance anyway. A diagnosis of mental illness should does not mean no legal consequence for the perpetrator, but that's for the courts to sort out. I have no idea whether the gang banger toughs at the zoo event have been black, mentally ill, just bad seeds or what. All I know is that there have been problems in recent years with the event, and it's past high time to fix it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12:38, just to let you know, I think your post is so dumb that I'm going to report it to Jeff. So if he deletes it, it's because he agrees with me.

I doubt any witness or resident would disagree with OP. Didn't you read the post from the poor guy working the coffee shop across the street? If this event is allowed next year, he'd preferer the loss of income and close, rather than risk getting hurt, or worse.

+1. Jeff was so obsessed yesterday with who is in the zoo vs who is out that he deleted completely fine posts by people out of the zoo...and the "funny" thing is that the shooting took place right outside of the zoo! This was an example of arbitrary decisions by an often benevolent dictator.

Bullshit. Describe one "completely fine post" that I deleted. Plenty of posters could use a class in remedial reading comprehension as well. I went back to read my message to see if I had mistyped because there seemed to be such confusion. It seemed fine to me. Basically, don't write about things that you don't know about. Misinformation doesn't help anyone.

Bullshit is what you are doing, abusing the trust people have in you. In yesterday's thread someone started complaining that some posts were being deleted, and suddenly even the complaints dissapeared.

I described what my kid and I had experienced, including a helicopter on top, sirens, people running out, and that dissapeared too. You were not trying to protect civility. You were trying to bias the reporting of a story by censoring out actual Woodley neighbors and promoting your own views. Where were you exactly when the shooting took place?

This is not a new incident. Regrettably this has occurred before. Why did you go?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand posters like poster 21:20. To make you argument, you embellish the truth or outright lie. There has not been annual violence at this event, but I guess if you say it and write it often enough it becomes your reality.

Also, throughout this thread and the original thread there have been overt racist posts regarding the event. However, when the poster responded in kind to remind you of violence committed by white youth, you assert that that stuff is out of bounds. So is it safe to believe that at least in DCUM world, there are no limits to what can be said and/ or imputed to the Black community. The same cannot and should not be mentioned about he white community.

Please. Who defends school shooters? Or military base shooters? I can't even remember what their races have been. But what we should, as a society be doing about mental health treatment and serious gun control, We need to take practical steps to make the "family day" event safer. Some have suggested a ticketed event or one strictly for young kids and their families. If you only want to consider security measures, how about stop and frisk?

Gun violence IS down.Way down according to Pew Reserch.
White boy shooters and stabbers are mentally ill?
Same assessment for black boys?
Suggest what you'd like for "mental health treatment."

Unfortunately gun violence is not down at the zoo. And it seems to be on an upswing in normally safe Woodley Park.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live there(or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

Read the article, monster.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

Read the article, monster.

Here, you probably will have to move your lips while you read this:

On April 14, a man unloading groceries saw a youth fire shots into the air as he and friends ran through an alley off Connecticut Avenue, according to a D.C. police report. Police detained three people, including one hiding in a garbage can, but made no arrests. Officers found four spent 9mm casings near the Marriott Wardman Park on Woodley Road, three blocks southwest of the zoo.