FDA removed black box warning for HRT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

Oh. So you weren’t actually “just curious” then. Okay. The musculoskeletal effects of menopause are well documented if you ever become actually curious.

I suspect the reason the comments here make mo sense to you is because you don’t know — or refuse to accept — that estrogen, and a sudden lack of it, can affect the whole body. If you don’t let that fact in, I suspect the conversation will continue to bewilder you.

Nobody is saying you need to take HRT. But it’s odd to refuse to look at the research while wagging your finger at people who have. I wonder what it is you really need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

Oh. So you weren’t actually “just curious” then. Okay. The musculoskeletal effects of menopause are well documented if you ever become actually curious.

I suspect the reason the comments here make mo sense to you is because you don’t know — or refuse to accept — that estrogen, and a sudden lack of it, can affect the whole body. If you don’t let that fact in, I suspect the conversation will continue to bewilder you.

Nobody is saying you need to take HRT. But it’s odd to refuse to look at the research while wagging your finger at people who have. I wonder what it is you really need.

I am not the person who asked why you stopped exercising, but am the person you are quoting above. Anyone who hasn’t figured out that multiple people post on the internet and question the use of HRT as a magic cure-all, is not someone who has a good grasp on logical and analytical analysis, particularly with something with so many unproven claims like HRT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

Different poster. Of course men experienced stiffness and other complications of aging but you do realize that a 55-year-old man has two or three times the amount of estrogen in his body than a 55-year-old woman who is in menopause. I’m betting you actually don’t realize that.

Estrogen is a really powerful hormone in our body. I really don’t think women were meant to live the kind of lives though you’re living in our 50s and beyond without it.

We have an achieved insane leaps in life expectancy over the past couple hundred years as compared to tens of thousands of years before that. If we have an ability for women to restore some of what was helping us with overall health before menopause, we should do it. Of course it’s important to evaluate benefits and risk, but it really seems like the risk are small for most women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

Oh. So you weren’t actually “just curious” then. Okay. The musculoskeletal effects of menopause are well documented if you ever become actually curious.

I suspect the reason the comments here make mo sense to you is because you don’t know — or refuse to accept — that estrogen, and a sudden lack of it, can affect the whole body. If you don’t let that fact in, I suspect the conversation will continue to bewilder you.

Nobody is saying you need to take HRT. But it’s odd to refuse to look at the research while wagging your finger at people who have. I wonder what it is you really need.

I am not the person who asked why you stopped exercising, but am the person you are quoting above. Anyone who hasn’t figured out that multiple people post on the internet and question the use of HRT as a magic cure-all, is not someone who has a good grasp on logical and analytical analysis, particularly with something with so many unproven claims like HRT.

No one — literally no one — is calling it a magic cure-all. But some ARE refusing to engage with the facts that show estrogen’s importance to the functioning of brain, bone, heart, metabolism, joints, blood vessels, muscle, and more.

[Anonymous]

It will take a few years, but the pendulum will balance. In the early 2000s we went way overboard in overstating the risk of hormone replacement therapy. It was a much different formulation than what is available now and it was prescribed to women in their 60s for the first time. We realized that in that population with thst formulation the benefits did not outweigh the risk.

Now we have a completely different and much safer formulation, and it’s being offered to women at a much safer time - under 60 within 10 years of menopause. For many the benefits now will outweigh the risks.

It is neither a cure all or magic, nor is it harmful scourge that should be avoided. I imagine in the next 5 to 7 years we will have more balanced messaging and information for people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It will take a few years, but the pendulum will balance. In the early 2000s we went way overboard in overstating the risk of hormone replacement therapy. It was a much different formulation than what is available now and it was prescribed to women in their 60s for the first time. We realized that in that population with thst formulation the benefits did not outweigh the risk.

Now we have a completely different and much safer formulation, and it’s being offered to women at a much safer time - under 60 within 10 years of menopause. For many the benefits now will outweigh the risks.

It is neither a cure all or magic, nor is it harmful scourge that should be avoided. I imagine in the next 5 to 7 years we will have more balanced messaging and information for people.

After the influencers and quacks lose interest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

As someone who didn’t stop, the joint pain and inflammation is real and is beyond just “aging” that can compare to men getting as well. For those going through frozen shoulder and other menopausal events, your pain is real and comments from others can be hurtful.

I had two frozen shoulders and fixed them through a slow process of weight lifting and increasing activity. The fact is, the impact of HRT on joint pain (even if it exists) is likely MUCH less than exercise and diet. There is no easy fix and HRT is clearly being marketed towards American women gullible enough to believe that there is. The only easy fix in medicine right now is probably GLPs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

Different poster. Of course men experienced stiffness and other complications of aging but you do realize that a 55-year-old man has two or three times the amount of estrogen in his body than a 55-year-old woman who is in menopause. I’m betting you actually don’t realize that.

Estrogen is a really powerful hormone in our body. I really don’t think women were meant to live the kind of lives though you’re living in our 50s and beyond without it.

We have an achieved insane leaps in life expectancy over the past couple hundred years as compared to tens of thousands of years before that. If we have an ability for women to restore some of what was helping us with overall health before menopause, we should do it. Of course it’s important to evaluate benefits and risk, but it really seems like the risk are small for most women.

You realize that you sound like an absolute grifter, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

Oh. So you weren’t actually “just curious” then. Okay. The musculoskeletal effects of menopause are well documented if you ever become actually curious.

I suspect the reason the comments here make mo sense to you is because you don’t know — or refuse to accept — that estrogen, and a sudden lack of it, can affect the whole body. If you don’t let that fact in, I suspect the conversation will continue to bewilder you.

Nobody is saying you need to take HRT. But it’s odd to refuse to look at the research while wagging your finger at people who have. I wonder what it is you really need.

I am not the person who asked why you stopped exercising, but am the person you are quoting above. Anyone who hasn’t figured out that multiple people post on the internet and question the use of HRT as a magic cure-all, is not someone who has a good grasp on logical and analytical analysis, particularly with something with so many unproven claims like HRT.

No one — literally no one — is calling it a magic cure-all. But some ARE refusing to engage with the facts that show estrogen’s importance to the functioning of brain, bone, heart, metabolism, joints, blood vessels, muscle, and more.

Nobody is doing that. we are just pointing out that no medical authorities recommend HRT for the primary prevention of anything other than osteoporosis in some cases. Because the risks outweigh the benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It will take a few years, but the pendulum will balance. In the early 2000s we went way overboard in overstating the risk of hormone replacement therapy. It was a much different formulation than what is available now and it was prescribed to women in their 60s for the first time. We realized that in that population with thst formulation the benefits did not outweigh the risk.

Now we have a completely different and much safer formulation, and it’s being offered to women at a much safer time - under 60 within 10 years of menopause. For many the benefits now will outweigh the risks.

It is neither a cure all or magic, nor is it harmful scourge that should be avoided. I imagine in the next 5 to 7 years we will have more balanced messaging and information for people.

Right. Anyone making medical decisions based on media hype (in any direction) is failing to be a good medical consumer.

meanwhile with all the noise, it’s hard to find any good research substantiating that eg current patch-delivered estrogen is safer than the older oral formulations. new is not always better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

As someone who didn’t stop, the joint pain and inflammation is real and is beyond just “aging” that can compare to men getting as well. For those going through frozen shoulder and other menopausal events, your pain is real and comments from others can be hurtful.

I had two frozen shoulders and fixed them through a slow process of weight lifting and increasing activity. The fact is, the impact of HRT on joint pain (even if it exists) is likely MUCH less than exercise and diet. There is no easy fix and HRT is clearly being marketed towards American women gullible enough to believe that there is. The only easy fix in medicine right now is probably GLPs.

I workout every day, lifting 3x per week. One year ago, the weirdest joint pains were causing me to lose sleep and move slower. One hip. One big toe. Add in the sleep issues, noise sensitivity, rage days, and hot flashes/night sweats. It was miserable and had nothing to do with not being active or my macros. Thankfully, my doctor knew what was up and prescribed the patch and progesterone pill.

Six weeks into HRT, it was gone. Five months in, I felt like my old self.

Please consider that you don’t know what everyone is experiencing and you sure as hell aren’t smarter than the experienced physicians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

As someone who didn’t stop, the joint pain and inflammation is real and is beyond just “aging” that can compare to men getting as well. For those going through frozen shoulder and other menopausal events, your pain is real and comments from others can be hurtful.

I had two frozen shoulders and fixed them through a slow process of weight lifting and increasing activity. The fact is, the impact of HRT on joint pain (even if it exists) is likely MUCH less than exercise and diet. There is no easy fix and HRT is clearly being marketed towards American women gullible enough to believe that there is. The only easy fix in medicine right now is probably GLPs.

I workout every day, lifting 3x per week. One year ago, the weirdest joint pains were causing me to lose sleep and move slower. One hip. One big toe. Add in the sleep issues, noise sensitivity, rage days, and hot flashes/night sweats. It was miserable and had nothing to do with not being active or my macros. Thankfully, my doctor knew what was up and prescribed the patch and progesterone pill.

Six weeks into HRT, it was gone. Five months in, I felt like my old self.

Please consider that you don’t know what everyone is experiencing and you sure as hell aren’t smarter than the experienced physicians.

My aging husband has more “menopause” symptoms than me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

As someone who didn’t stop, the joint pain and inflammation is real and is beyond just “aging” that can compare to men getting as well. For those going through frozen shoulder and other menopausal events, your pain is real and comments from others can be hurtful.

I had two frozen shoulders and fixed them through a slow process of weight lifting and increasing activity. The fact is, the impact of HRT on joint pain (even if it exists) is likely MUCH less than exercise and diet. There is no easy fix and HRT is clearly being marketed towards American women gullible enough to believe that there is. The only easy fix in medicine right now is probably GLPs.

I workout every day, lifting 3x per week. One year ago, the weirdest joint pains were causing me to lose sleep and move slower. One hip. One big toe. Add in the sleep issues, noise sensitivity, rage days, and hot flashes/night sweats. It was miserable and had nothing to do with not being active or my macros. Thankfully, my doctor knew what was up and prescribed the patch and progesterone pill.

Six weeks into HRT, it was gone. Five months in, I felt like my old self.

Please consider that you don’t know what everyone is experiencing and you sure as hell aren’t smarter than the experienced physicians.

My aging husband has more “menopause” symptoms than me.

Well forget medical studies and data then! Because this here couple is having this here experience! Who needs research, I guess

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

As someone who didn’t stop, the joint pain and inflammation is real and is beyond just “aging” that can compare to men getting as well. For those going through frozen shoulder and other menopausal events, your pain is real and comments from others can be hurtful.

I had two frozen shoulders and fixed them through a slow process of weight lifting and increasing activity. The fact is, the impact of HRT on joint pain (even if it exists) is likely MUCH less than exercise and diet. There is no easy fix and HRT is clearly being marketed towards American women gullible enough to believe that there is. The only easy fix in medicine right now is probably GLPs.

I workout every day, lifting 3x per week. One year ago, the weirdest joint pains were causing me to lose sleep and move slower. One hip. One big toe. Add in the sleep issues, noise sensitivity, rage days, and hot flashes/night sweats. It was miserable and had nothing to do with not being active or my macros. Thankfully, my doctor knew what was up and prescribed the patch and progesterone pill.

Six weeks into HRT, it was gone. Five months in, I felt like my old self.

Please consider that you don’t know what everyone is experiencing and you sure as hell aren’t smarter than the experienced physicians.

I have minor aches and pains too. Every time I think I might try HRT I reflect how much worse a stroke would be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ huh?

What made you stop exercising pre-HRT?

I’ve been an athlete my entire life and workout 6 days/week and I’m 55- no HRT.

Just curious to what was correlated w/ your inability to exercise pre-HRT and what changed after it

So much joint pain, stiffness like I’ve never had in my life, quick to injure myself, and recovery took forever. Felt like I was moving like the walking dead. Constant PT.

Estrogen has made movement easier — like my joints and muscles are more supple. Apparently musculoskeletal effects are a big issue in some menopausal women. Apparently I am one of them.

Are you telling me that aging men don’t experience joint pain and stiffness? Most of the comments make zero sense. It’s not all about estrogen. When you stop moving, you become move stiff. You exacerbated your problems by dropping exercise:

As someone who didn’t stop, the joint pain and inflammation is real and is beyond just “aging” that can compare to men getting as well. For those going through frozen shoulder and other menopausal events, your pain is real and comments from others can be hurtful.

I had two frozen shoulders and fixed them through a slow process of weight lifting and increasing activity. The fact is, the impact of HRT on joint pain (even if it exists) is likely MUCH less than exercise and diet. There is no easy fix and HRT is clearly being marketed towards American women gullible enough to believe that there is. The only easy fix in medicine right now is probably GLPs.

I workout every day, lifting 3x per week. One year ago, the weirdest joint pains were causing me to lose sleep and move slower. One hip. One big toe. Add in the sleep issues, noise sensitivity, rage days, and hot flashes/night sweats. It was miserable and had nothing to do with not being active or my macros. Thankfully, my doctor knew what was up and prescribed the patch and progesterone pill.

Six weeks into HRT, it was gone. Five months in, I felt like my old self.

Please consider that you don’t know what everyone is experiencing and you sure as hell aren’t smarter than the experienced physicians.

My aging husband has more “menopause” symptoms than me.

Well forget medical studies and data then! Because this here couple is having this here experience! Who needs research, I guess

While you are looking up the research, you should read up on the placebo effect of HRT.