Birthright Citizenship

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Class action suits incoming.

Yes, round up all those pregnant illegals, tourists and foreign students and file those lawsuits demanding citizenship and benies for their anchor babies.
Their big back door America plans are on the line.

Yesh!

What about you? How are you going to claim birth rights?

All 20+ countries who ceded Citizenship by birth did not do it retroactively. They made it a law or change and had an imminent start date.

The newborn then takes the parents’ citizenships, dna tests are given for any fraud, and the parents or kid can apply for American citizenship in a few years after good standing.

So there would need to be DNA tests for the baby and the baby daddy if claiming citizenship through the father?

Absolutely, especially if no non-fraudulent marriage license.

Do you think illegal border crossers aren’t going to lie over and over again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this retroactive? If all babies born to non citizens would be the nationality of the mother then neither Ivana or Melania were us citizens when their children were born. So, Tiffany is Trump's only bona fide US citizen.

Of course not.

No one nullifies it retroactively.

Why do people even ask that question?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we put this on a ballot and let the people vote?

End birthright citizenship - yes/no.

Majority wins.

Um. . . because there is a process for amending the Constitution and that isn't it.
Guessing you are the child of US citizens because any naturalized person has to pass a civics test.

You mean memorize 45 multiple choice questions? Ok. Casa de Maryland has a good study guide too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My neighbors who are both citizens (but naturalized originally from other countries) had their brother and pregnant wife visit.

They came in early January. I only saw the wife once walking and when I met the brother I said hello introduced myself and asked how long they were staying. He said they were leaving in a couple weeks.

Saw neighbors again a few weeks later and brother was still there. Neighbor told me how the wife was pregnant but they were keeping it secret because of Trump. Brother and wife were not US citizens and from India. I honestly couldn’t believe what I was hearing.

They had a baby in late spring and baby has US citizenship and Indian citizenship. They left a couple weeks after baby was born.

This to me is totally wrong. They lied and so did my neighbors (who are wealthy and have graduate degrees including PhDs).

I am not pro Trump but I was alarmed by the way this was handled by all of them.

My sibling lived in another country (years ago) and knew of countless people who came to the US so their baby could also be a US citizen. They knew to come not right when close to due date either. I thought my sibling was exaggerating until I saw what happened with my neighbors.

Something needs to change.

Yup. This just keeps happening and happening, especially amongst chinese and SE Asian communities. And grade students.

Now their kid can apply to college or live here any time, pull them in to live once age 18c and they have a call option to leave their country anytime they wish.

Birth Tourism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This does seem to be open ended. How many generations do we go back? Did my great great great grandparents come here legally? How does one prove that in a court of law that is over seen by a radical supreme Court?

If you can take birth rights away from a first generation person you certainly can take it away from an 8th generation person.

Once you cross the Rubicon of taking birth rights away there is nothing stopping republicans from stripping birth rights from any US citizen.

It will not be retroactive. And once it goes through, if and however that may be, it will not be retroactive.

There are several European and UK case precedents of devices countries seating citizenship by birth this way and it was fine. They set a near date and then going FW from that date it ceases. Your kid gets the citizenship of their father and mother, and can apply for U.S. citizenship later.

How do you know if it will be retroactive or not. The constitution is very clear that birthright citizenship applies to pretty much everyone (except for the children of foreign diplomats). If the government can magically revoke the constitution then there are no safeguards that this will not apply retroactively. The constitution has basically been destroyed, the President has almost unlimited immunity, and courts can no longer issue universal injunctions for blatantly unconstitutional actions. It doesn’t matter if your family has been in the US for 3 generations at this point. Most people will be unable to protect their rights if the government decides you are not a citizen. You will be expeditiously shipped off to a foreign prison to never be seen again.

The amendment or scotus language would state the date henceforth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do folks not want more citizens? Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral. Do folks not look around? Look at Europe and Japan (even China now). Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies. We have (had) hope with immigration.

Apply for citizenship. Bfd. Like all the other countries make you do. Without the perverse incentives and behaviors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is holding a news conference. Help me understand what's happening.

Nothing is happening.

We all want Citizenship by Birth to go away because it’s rampantly being taken advantage of by illegals, foreign tourists, foreign students, etc.

Foreigners do it to have an anchor baby or 18 yo child file 10+ family sponsor pull-ins from other countries. It’s a handy call option for the rich to move to America and it’s a sob story to tell Immigration Control once caught.

Problem is there is mainly one almost impossible mechanic to get it cleaned up. And senators want to tie other proposals to it for their vote. So it’s a serious matter but constantly used as a pawn by legislature.

I wish a president had the balls to put it to the house and senate as a standalone vote.

No “we” don’t, just you and your punching down cohorts that need to feel special by always having someone beneath you.

That’s a weird accusation of all the countries who don’t gift Citizenship by Birth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this retroactive? If all babies born to non citizens would be the nationality of the mother then neither Ivana or Melania were us citizens when their children were born. So, Tiffany is Trump's only bona fide US citizen.

Of course not.

No one nullifies it retroactively.

Why do people even ask that question?

Because they are attempting to change the rules? This whole thread is about changing the rules. Why wouldn’t they change that one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is holding a news conference. Help me understand what's happening.

Nothing is happening.

We all want Citizenship by Birth to go away because it’s rampantly being taken advantage of by illegals, foreign tourists, foreign students, etc.

Foreigners do it to have an anchor baby or 18 yo child file 10+ family sponsor pull-ins from other countries. It’s a handy call option for the rich to move to America and it’s a sob story to tell Immigration Control once caught.

Problem is there is mainly one almost impossible mechanic to get it cleaned up. And senators want to tie other proposals to it for their vote. So it’s a serious matter but constantly used as a pawn by legislature.

I wish a president had the balls to put it to the house and senate as a standalone vote.

No “we” don’t, just you and your punching down cohorts that need to feel special by always having someone beneath you.

That’s a weird accusation of all the countries who don’t gift Citizenship by Birth.

That’s a weird extrapolation of the comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this retroactive? If all babies born to non citizens would be the nationality of the mother then neither Ivana or Melania were us citizens when their children were born. So, Tiffany is Trump's only bona fide US citizen.

Of course not.

No one nullifies it retroactively.

Why do people even ask that question?

Because they are attempting to change the rules? This whole thread is about changing the rules. Why wouldn’t they change that one?

Because making it apply to retroactive or prior births makes no sense and would be chaos.
They’d make an imminent start date.
Worked well for all the Western countries who canceled birthright citizenship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this retroactive? If all babies born to non citizens would be the nationality of the mother then neither Ivana or Melania were us citizens when their children were born. So, Tiffany is Trump's only bona fide US citizen.

Of course not.

No one nullifies it retroactively.

Why do people even ask that question?

Because I can see trump trying this and if you can't then you are blind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is holding a news conference. Help me understand what's happening.

Nothing is happening.

We all want Citizenship by Birth to go away because it’s rampantly being taken advantage of by illegals, foreign tourists, foreign students, etc.

Foreigners do it to have an anchor baby or 18 yo child file 10+ family sponsor pull-ins from other countries. It’s a handy call option for the rich to move to America and it’s a sob story to tell Immigration Control once caught.

Problem is there is mainly one almost impossible mechanic to get it cleaned up. And senators want to tie other proposals to it for their vote. So it’s a serious matter but constantly used as a pawn by legislature.

I wish a president had the balls to put it to the house and senate as a standalone vote.

No “we” don’t, just you and your punching down cohorts that need to feel special by always having someone beneath you.

That’s a weird accusation of all the countries who don’t gift Citizenship by Birth.

That’s a weird extrapolation of the comment.

Yes that PPP comment was so weird and wrong! They claimed citizens want it gone so they can “feel special and always have someone beneath you,” meaning a non-citizens.

Weird take on sovereign rule indeed, agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this retroactive? If all babies born to non citizens would be the nationality of the mother then neither Ivana or Melania were us citizens when their children were born. So, Tiffany is Trump's only bona fide US citizen.

Of course not.

No one nullifies it retroactively.

Why do people even ask that question?

Because I can see trump trying this and if you can't then you are blind.

Lol.
Keep toking up PP.
Meanwhile nasdaq and S&P hit all time highs.

[Anonymous]

Riddle us this:
Why WOULD a developed country want Citizenship by Birth in this day and age?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My neighbors who are both citizens (but naturalized originally from other countries) had their brother and pregnant wife visit.

They came in early January. I only saw the wife once walking and when I met the brother I said hello introduced myself and asked how long they were staying. He said they were leaving in a couple weeks.

Saw neighbors again a few weeks later and brother was still there. Neighbor told me how the wife was pregnant but they were keeping it secret because of Trump. Brother and wife were not US citizens and from India. I honestly couldn’t believe what I was hearing.

They had a baby in late spring and baby has US citizenship and Indian citizenship. They left a couple weeks after baby was born.

This to me is totally wrong. They lied and so did my neighbors (who are wealthy and have graduate degrees including PhDs).

I am not pro Trump but I was alarmed by the way this was handled by all of them.

My sibling lived in another country (years ago) and knew of countless people who came to the US so their baby could also be a US citizen. They knew to come not right when close to due date either. I thought my sibling was exaggerating until I saw what happened with my neighbors.

Something needs to change.

There is a process outlined in the constitution for changing the constitution.

Good luck repealing part of the 14th amendment.