How many TJ kids got into MIT this season?

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Anonymous wrote:How can MIT be expected to pick TJ students when many of those students are being admitted with lower math than their base school?

Top end of TJ do not have lower math.

Of course the top end is what bearing the burden of saving TJ reputation, whatever is left of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

Yup. Varsity math team cheater. No one on VMT got accepted to MIT this year and historically at least a few do.

More details?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

Yup. Varsity math team cheater. No one on VMT got accepted to MIT this year and historically at least a few do.

More details?

I don't know details but she did get in to at least two other elite universities.

[Anonymous]

Why eliminate entrance merit standards and ask how many got into MIT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why eliminate entrance merit standards and ask how many got into MIT?

fake news the eliminated the mass cheating and established a much stronger baseline

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look into the colleges admissions system now, I started to think that TJ is mirroring them, they are almost all holistic approach. Colleges, are not using a single test to determine the acceptance, and they are not even considering perfect SAT and GPA as the most important factor, they look at so many aspects. They look for well rounded candidates.
Even the TJ essay that people here heavily mocked as “sob story” that was actually used also in colleges admissions process and that is a big factor.

TJ is not doing what colleges are doing. It is nowhere close to a holistic approach. They have reduced the number of things they are looking at.

Off course it is not exactly the same, they screened 13 yo Middle Schooler, they don’t expect you to proof you did 200 hr community hours or publish a research or Olympic level athlete, or state level musician, but at least they are no longer measure it on one single test, and they are actually factoring the background they came from, like it or not…

DP

They never measured it with one single test.
The problem was that the test selected for academic ability and Asians became grossly overrepresented and all other groups became underrepresented. And race was the scorecard by which some members of the board determined the success of the program.

Now they have added a geographic quota and consider socioeconomic factors. Which is their progressive, rut removing the test entirely was a mistake

I wouldn't mind if TJ considered athletics along with academics. Athlete scholars are a real thing.

They removing the test and replace it with taking the 1.5% highest in each MS, I don’t see that as an entirely mistake.
I see the battle here are mostly just between the student who is rank 76th at Carson who is now replaced by 1st rank student at Poe. The top 30-50 students at regular top feeder are mostly still be admitted regardless new or old admissions.

It's not the highest 1.5% of anything. It's a fukn essay. And no, a lot of the top students at Carson and Kimber and other places aren't getting in because admissions is an almost random cross section of the applicant pool. Some of them go through the effort of applying as a sophomore but your creating hurdles at that point.

The new process selects the top 1.5% of students. The old process favored students whose families could afford to buy early access to the test from expensive outside cram schools.

Yes, and this was reported by TJ students who had been surprised that they had been prepped on the exact problems as the old teat.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look into the colleges admissions system now, I started to think that TJ is mirroring them, they are almost all holistic approach. Colleges, are not using a single test to determine the acceptance, and they are not even considering perfect SAT and GPA as the most important factor, they look at so many aspects. They look for well rounded candidates.
Even the TJ essay that people here heavily mocked as “sob story” that was actually used also in colleges admissions process and that is a big factor.

TJ is not doing what colleges are doing. It is nowhere close to a holistic approach. They have reduced the number of things they are looking at.

Off course it is not exactly the same, they screened 13 yo Middle Schooler, they don’t expect you to proof you did 200 hr community hours or publish a research or Olympic level athlete, or state level musician, but at least they are no longer measure it on one single test, and they are actually factoring the background they came from, like it or not…

DP

They never measured it with one single test.
The problem was that the test selected for academic ability and Asians became grossly overrepresented and all other groups became underrepresented. And race was the scorecard by which some members of the board determined the success of the program.

Now they have added a geographic quota and consider socioeconomic factors. Which is their progressive, rut removing the test entirely was a mistake

I wouldn't mind if TJ considered athletics along with academics. Athlete scholars are a real thing.

They removing the test and replace it with taking the 1.5% highest in each MS, I don’t see that as an entirely mistake.
I see the battle here are mostly just between the student who is rank 76th at Carson who is now replaced by 1st rank student at Poe. The top 30-50 students at regular top feeder are mostly still be admitted regardless new or old admissions.

It's not the highest 1.5% of anything. It's a fukn essay. And no, a lot of the top students at Carson and Kimber and other places aren't getting in because admissions is an almost random cross section of the applicant pool. Some of them go through the effort of applying as a sophomore but your creating hurdles at that point.

The new process selects the top 1.5% of students. The old process favored students whose families could afford to buy early access to the test from expensive outside cram schools.

Yeah. This is a little. Nobody was buying tests.

Almost every study in the area shows that standardized tests measure a thing that is very much with measuring. And it is a combination of wokeness and white supremacy that has undermined the legitimacy of standardized testing as a valuable measuring tool.

Tests are not racist. URM just aren't as academically prepared. Asians aren't doing better than Whites because they are getting advanced chores of the test, white kid just aren't studying as hard as Asians.

The whole point is that the entrance test was not designed to be one you studied for. The opposite in fact. So if some kids studied for a test you were supposed to take without having studied for it then that skews the results.

If everyone studies at least a little bit for the test, the skew is not significant. "Cracking the test" takes very little time and effort, it's a multiple choice exam and the test taking techniques are older than half the countries in the world. Everything else beyond that is studying which means actual improvements in your ability.

If I didn't prep for the test but I studied 2 hours a day more than you, then all other things being equal, I will get a better test score than you.
Is that unfair?

This is the lion's share of the differences that we see in test results. Large differences in actual study time lead to large differences in academic ability. I don't know why so many people find that surprising or unfair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

Yup. Varsity math team cheater. No one on VMT got accepted to MIT this year and historically at least a few do.

Wow - what happened? How did they cheat? What were consequences?

This is the first I am hearing of this too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look into the colleges admissions system now, I started to think that TJ is mirroring them, they are almost all holistic approach. Colleges, are not using a single test to determine the acceptance, and they are not even considering perfect SAT and GPA as the most important factor, they look at so many aspects. They look for well rounded candidates.
Even the TJ essay that people here heavily mocked as “sob story” that was actually used also in colleges admissions process and that is a big factor.

TJ is not doing what colleges are doing. It is nowhere close to a holistic approach. They have reduced the number of things they are looking at.

Off course it is not exactly the same, they screened 13 yo Middle Schooler, they don’t expect you to proof you did 200 hr community hours or publish a research or Olympic level athlete, or state level musician, but at least they are no longer measure it on one single test, and they are actually factoring the background they came from, like it or not…

DP

They never measured it with one single test.
The problem was that the test selected for academic ability and Asians became grossly overrepresented and all other groups became underrepresented. And race was the scorecard by which some members of the board determined the success of the program.

Now they have added a geographic quota and consider socioeconomic factors. Which is their progressive, rut removing the test entirely was a mistake

I wouldn't mind if TJ considered athletics along with academics. Athlete scholars are a real thing.

They removing the test and replace it with taking the 1.5% highest in each MS, I don’t see that as an entirely mistake.
I see the battle here are mostly just between the student who is rank 76th at Carson who is now replaced by 1st rank student at Poe. The top 30-50 students at regular top feeder are mostly still be admitted regardless new or old admissions.

It's not the highest 1.5% of anything. It's a fukn essay. And no, a lot of the top students at Carson and Kimber and other places aren't getting in because admissions is an almost random cross section of the applicant pool. Some of them go through the effort of applying as a sophomore but your creating hurdles at that point.

The new process selects the top 1.5% of students. The old process favored students whose families could afford to buy early access to the test from expensive outside cram schools.

You’re full on delusional if you think cram schools are not teaching to the new test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look into the colleges admissions system now, I started to think that TJ is mirroring them, they are almost all holistic approach. Colleges, are not using a single test to determine the acceptance, and they are not even considering perfect SAT and GPA as the most important factor, they look at so many aspects. They look for well rounded candidates.
Even the TJ essay that people here heavily mocked as “sob story” that was actually used also in colleges admissions process and that is a big factor.

TJ is not doing what colleges are doing. It is nowhere close to a holistic approach. They have reduced the number of things they are looking at.

Off course it is not exactly the same, they screened 13 yo Middle Schooler, they don’t expect you to proof you did 200 hr community hours or publish a research or Olympic level athlete, or state level musician, but at least they are no longer measure it on one single test, and they are actually factoring the background they came from, like it or not…

DP

They never measured it with one single test.
The problem was that the test selected for academic ability and Asians became grossly overrepresented and all other groups became underrepresented. And race was the scorecard by which some members of the board determined the success of the program.

Now they have added a geographic quota and consider socioeconomic factors. Which is their progressive, rut removing the test entirely was a mistake

I wouldn't mind if TJ considered athletics along with academics. Athlete scholars are a real thing.

They removing the test and replace it with taking the 1.5% highest in each MS, I don’t see that as an entirely mistake.
I see the battle here are mostly just between the student who is rank 76th at Carson who is now replaced by 1st rank student at Poe. The top 30-50 students at regular top feeder are mostly still be admitted regardless new or old admissions.

It's not the highest 1.5% of anything. It's a fukn essay. And no, a lot of the top students at Carson and Kimber and other places aren't getting in because admissions is an almost random cross section of the applicant pool. Some of them go through the effort of applying as a sophomore but your creating hurdles at that point.

The new process selects the top 1.5% of students. The old process favored students whose families could afford to buy early access to the test from expensive outside cram schools.

You’re full on delusional if you think cram schools are not teaching to the new test.

DP. Why are people surprised at prep-classes. Princeton Review decades ago was the gold standard for Rich people. Create any test worth taking and there schools that will: prep, analyze, bribe, or steal the test. How many times have SAT questions been smuggled out?

[Anonymous]

Princton Review SAT prep guide basic edition is $15.90. But premium edition is $19.44. Rich people may not think twice which one to buy. On other hand I may have to dig into my life savings to buy the premium edition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd heard this is the strongest TJ class in decades regarding college outcomes. I suspect it's because of the improved selection process that eliminated less talented students' entry through cheating.

The reason of TJ has 0 MIT EA admission this season is cheating is being reported to MIT for certain person/group. Historic event.

Yup. Varsity math team cheater. No one on VMT got accepted to MIT this year and historically at least a few do.

Wow - what happened? How did they cheat? What were consequences?

This is the first I am hearing of this too.

The alleged cheater is going to a top 5 college

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why eliminate entrance merit standards and ask how many got into MIT?

fake news the eliminated the mass cheating and established a much stronger baseline

Would love to know how many times you’ve oosted the same old bs

[Anonymous]

When do they release the official PDF of the TJ Destinations?Not all kids disclose their destination but it gives a good picture. The public instagram page is very limited

[Anonymous]

The senior edition of the student newspaper should be out early June. They appear to have stopped uploading a digital copy since last year but maybe that’s a good thing.

If you have a student at TJ they will be able to obtain a print copy and there’s also of course the college survey on the intranet which has even more info on what choices the seniors had.