Is the US health system collapsing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today I saw a Facebook story posted by a family of doctors that we know where they are flying overseas with 4 of their children (6 total) all in the first class. This is their fourth or fifth European vacation in the past year. All 4 kids go to a private school. They have multiple million dollar homes.

Meanwhile, people can’t afford to have medical conditions treated. Meanwhile, people have to ration insulin injections.

Meanwhile, in the country I came from a doctor often has to work 2-3 hobs to make ends meet.

US healthcare system is definitely a disaster.

People only have to ration insulin because it’s way overprescribed for type-2 diabetics who won’t stop eating carbs

[Anonymous]

Average annual salary of a US pediatrician is $183,000. At 50hrs/wk with 2wk/yr vacation, that's about $73 an hour. Average debt from training is $264,000, but of course it accrues interest until paid off.

For family doctors, it's an average salary of
$220,000, of about $88/hr, with an average of $192,000 school debt.

I don't think they are going to Europe multiple times a year. You probably want to aim that arrow, PP.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/02/27/pediatrician-salary-state/

https://www.aap.org/en/career-resources/planning-your-career/managing-medical-student-debt/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today I saw a Facebook story posted by a family of doctors that we know where they are flying overseas with 4 of their children (6 total) all in the first class. This is their fourth or fifth European vacation in the past year. All 4 kids go to a private school. They have multiple million dollar homes.

Meanwhile, people can’t afford to have medical conditions treated. Meanwhile, people have to ration insulin injections.

Meanwhile, in the country I came from a doctor often has to work 2-3 hobs to make ends meet.

US healthcare system is definitely a disaster.

People only have to ration insulin because it’s way overprescribed for type-2 diabetics who won’t stop eating carbs

So what do you want? Doctors to make teacher money? Good luck getting anyone to become doctors and therefore worsening the shortage lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today I saw a Facebook story posted by a family of doctors that we know where they are flying overseas with 4 of their children (6 total) all in the first class. This is their fourth or fifth European vacation in the past year. All 4 kids go to a private school. They have multiple million dollar homes.

Meanwhile, people can’t afford to have medical conditions treated. Meanwhile, people have to ration insulin injections.

Meanwhile, in the country I came from a doctor often has to work 2-3 hobs to make ends meet.

US healthcare system is definitely a disaster.

People only have to ration insulin because it’s way overprescribed for type-2 diabetics who won’t stop eating carbs

So what do you want? Doctors to make teacher money? Good luck getting anyone to become doctors and therefore worsening the shortage lol

We don’t need more doctors soon anyway. They don’t create new treatments. That’s done by research scientists (who could also be medical doctors). Doctors will be replaced with AI. They only implement the standard of care right now based on symptoms and tests.

[Anonymous]

Illegals are assaulting the healthcare system.

You voted for it so stew in your own juice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was on a girls trip and all of them were doctors from the UK and Canada, except for my friend who is an American in the UK and a clinical psychologist. They could not wrap their heads around our healthcare system. They did not know how any America could sleep at night when one illness could send you into bankruptcy.

+1 for all that's wrong with the NHS and Canadian healthcare, most of their citizens don't worry about medical bankruptcy.

Great medical care in the US is for the rich.
Good or decent medical care in the US is for the UMC who have good insurance.
Everyone else is just screwed.

See I think this is the answer. Healthcare is great for the rich and good to great for umc. If you have great insurance then it is decent. Nightmare for mc and broken for poor. Not the treatment but the delivery.

It is unclear what the answer is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today I saw a Facebook story posted by a family of doctors that we know where they are flying overseas with 4 of their children (6 total) all in the first class. This is their fourth or fifth European vacation in the past year. All 4 kids go to a private school. They have multiple million dollar homes.

Meanwhile, people can’t afford to have medical conditions treated. Meanwhile, people have to ration insulin injections.

Meanwhile, in the country I came from a doctor often has to work 2-3 hobs to make ends meet.

US healthcare system is definitely a disaster.

People only have to ration insulin because it’s way overprescribed for type-2 diabetics who won’t stop eating carbs

So what do you want? Doctors to make teacher money? Good luck getting anyone to become doctors and therefore worsening the shortage lol

We don’t need more doctors soon anyway. They don’t create new treatments. That’s done by research scientists (who could also be medical doctors). Doctors will be replaced with AI. They only implement the standard of care right now based on symptoms and tests.

Maybe for the poor. Rich will always see a person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was on a girls trip and all of them were doctors from the UK and Canada, except for my friend who is an American in the UK and a clinical psychologist. They could not wrap their heads around our healthcare system. They did not know how any America could sleep at night when one illness could send you into bankruptcy.

+1 for all that's wrong with the NHS and Canadian healthcare, most of their citizens don't worry about medical bankruptcy.

Great medical care in the US is for the rich.
Good or decent medical care in the US is for the UMC who have good insurance.
Everyone else is just screwed.

See I think this is the answer. Healthcare is great for the rich and good to great for umc. If you have great insurance then it is decent. Nightmare for mc and broken for poor. Not the treatment but the delivery.

It is unclear what the answer is.

There’s no way to provide healthcare for everybody. It’s either rationing with people dying or waiting forever or spending all your money for life saving treatment .

It’s called reality

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it really good anywhere?

Last week there were big complaints in the UK about the NHS computer system that led to unfavorable health outcomes and deaths.

My friend couldn't find a PCP in Toronto for months.

Other countries are losing doctors to higher paying countries and don't produce enough specialists. People wait years for joint surgery, or months for oncology appointments.

How much of this is because medical science can do more so demand is higher for an increased number of treatments.

It's not "great" anywhere unless you have a lot of money, but at the least, if you get seriously ill, you will get free treatment in Canada and the UK, not so here. Medical bankruptcies is only a thing in the US.

Some countries have free ambulance service, but the hospital won't treat you if you can't pay. Here they take in anyone--and some don't ever pay (I wondrr what the percentage actually is).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today I saw a Facebook story posted by a family of doctors that we know where they are flying overseas with 4 of their children (6 total) all in the first class. This is their fourth or fifth European vacation in the past year. All 4 kids go to a private school. They have multiple million dollar homes.

Meanwhile, people can’t afford to have medical conditions treated. Meanwhile, people have to ration insulin injections.

Meanwhile, in the country I came from a doctor often has to work 2-3 hobs to make ends meet.

US healthcare system is definitely a disaster.

This is just false. No one has 4-5 euro vacations. Not even private equity partners.


Good for them though if even remotely true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today I saw a Facebook story posted by a family of doctors that we know where they are flying overseas with 4 of their children (6 total) all in the first class. This is their fourth or fifth European vacation in the past year. All 4 kids go to a private school. They have multiple million dollar homes.

Meanwhile, people can’t afford to have medical conditions treated. Meanwhile, people have to ration insulin injections.

Meanwhile, in the country I came from a doctor often has to work 2-3 hobs to make ends meet.

US healthcare system is definitely a disaster.

This is just false. No one has 4-5 euro vacations. Not even private equity partners.


Good for them though if even remotely true.

They periodically come screaming for their daddy … the USA to save them from their mean neighbors. They are weak and worthless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was on a girls trip and all of them were doctors from the UK and Canada, except for my friend who is an American in the UK and a clinical psychologist. They could not wrap their heads around our healthcare system. They did not know how any America could sleep at night when one illness could send you into bankruptcy.

+1 for all that's wrong with the NHS and Canadian healthcare, most of their citizens don't worry about medical bankruptcy.

Great medical care in the US is for the rich.
Good or decent medical care in the US is for the UMC who have good insurance.
Everyone else is just screwed.

See I think this is the answer. Healthcare is great for the rich and good to great for umc. If you have great insurance then it is decent. Nightmare for mc and broken for poor. Not the treatment but the delivery.

It is unclear what the answer is.

There’s no way to provide healthcare for everybody. It’s either rationing with people dying or waiting forever or spending all your money for life saving treatment .

It’s called reality

There is also something called research, and outcomes studies, and patient satisfaction. A lot of this international work has been done by The Commonwealth Fund and the Harvard School of Public Health. Turns out that when universal healthcare is actually well-funded and not financially gutted by the powers that be, people like it, and it works.

But you don't want to know about that, and I don't want to listen to you piss on things, so here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of physicians around here who are concierge/take no insurance!

Yes the system is broken, but instead or organizing to fix it they just jettison their non-wealthy patients, and savor the lighter workload.

How should doctors be fixing the system? Don’t blame them. And they are unionizing. Here in Baltimore doctors at a hospital may strike. Power to them honestly. Hedge funds owning hospitals is criminal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am so tired of physicians around here who are concierge/take no insurance!

Yes the system is broken, but instead or organizing to fix it they just jettison their non-wealthy patients, and savor the lighter workload.

How should doctors be fixing the system? Don’t blame them. And they are unionizing. Here in Baltimore doctors at a hospital may strike. Power to them honestly. Hedge funds owning hospitals is criminal.

They need to bust up the AMA and AAMC cartel for staters. They artificially keep the supply of med students low. There should be no cap on the number of doctors allowed to be admitted and graduated and no cap on the number of accredited med schools, especially when there is a crisis in the number of physicians and access to healthcare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Average annual salary of a US pediatrician is $183,000. At 50hrs/wk with 2wk/yr vacation, that's about $73 an hour. Average debt from training is $264,000, but of course it accrues interest until paid off.

For family doctors, it's an average salary of
$220,000, of about $88/hr, with an average of $192,000 school debt.

I don't think they are going to Europe multiple times a year. You probably want to aim that arrow, PP.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/02/27/pediatrician-salary-state/

https://www.aap.org/en/career-resources/planning-your-career/managing-medical-student-debt/

I don’t think it’s accurate. DC has a friend group where almost all kids are doctors’ kids and they are all millionaires.