Forbes 20 'New Ivies'

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Anonymous wrote:The only publics that are worthy of this list are UCB, UCLA, UVA, UMich, and honorable mentions to UNC and Gatech. For privates replace BC with WashU and give NYU an honorable mention.

That is silly. Why do some DCUM people keep trying to anoint those schools. And they are nothing like Ivy League schools for undergraduate study.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the 20 schools ?

Thank you in advance & thank you for posting.

Top publics:
Binghamton University
Georgia Institute of Technology
University of Florida Florida
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin Texas
University of Virginia Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The SAT scores are impressive for those publics, and the cost compared to private schools are so much cheaper, even for oos.


Top Privates:
Boston College
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Rice University Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Southern California
Vanderbilt University

disagree with the article. William&Mary is THE public ivy, has pre-TO SATs that are the same as UVa and higher than half the publics above, AND William &Mary is the most similar to an ivy of all the public Us, based on seminar classes, intellectualism and smalelr undergrad populatiion.

The private they left off is WashU. Bump University of Spoiled Children and put in WashU. Much more similar to Ivy type vibes. USC does not have the same intellectual dynamics.

I do not have a kid at either but I have kids at ivies, toured and know many students at both, and these two schools are ivy-like and should not have been left off.

False. UVA and W&M were both "public ivies" when the term was coined 40-50 years ago. Now UVA is more difficult to get knto and has higher goa and test scores. look up "Public Ivy" in wikipedia.

UVA may be a more difficult admit now than W&M, but looking at the stats, they are extremely close with ACT scores exactly the same at 75/50/25 percentiles and SAT at 75th. GPAs are essentially the same at 75/50/25 within a .02 range either way.

W&M does have higher scores than a number of public schools on this list. No school has a higher median ACT. I wonder what excluded it.

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two of my kids went to schools on this list and both got great internship opportunities and good paying (close to six figure) jobs out of school. Who cares if McKinsey or MBB didn't recruit at their school, B4, Capital One, APL, Apple, Amazon did....

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Anonymous wrote:Lists like this are click bait.

and it works

Yep, lots of bored people living meaningless lives.

.. reading dcum.. kind of like you.

Nope, not clickbaits

but you clicked on this thread, which has a clickbait title

Nope, did not click on Forbes clickbait but I’d bet you did

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I just said to someone that Illinois was the sleeper school out there. Strong academics and affordable.

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Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious. The article says very clearly before it lists the private schools "Our analysis excluded schools with fewer than 4,000 students, the eight old Ivies and four Ivy-plus schools—Stanford, MIT, Duke and Chicago."...so basically it is just listing the US News Rankings minus these schools and the SLACs.

Lots of cope here. The survey shows that “hirers” are less likely to hire “Ivy” grads and more likely to hire from top tier state flagships and non-Ivy privates. So the article then answers the question: what schools fall into the latter categories?

From the article:

The conclusion: great state schools and ascendant private ones are turning out hungry graduates; the Ivies are more apt to turn out entitled ones. And in creating the latter, the Ivies have taken the value they’ve spent centuries creating—a degree that employers craved—and in just a few years done a lot to forfeit it.

“For some, they believe once they've got the sheepskin, that's their ticket. How dare you question my competency,” says Prager. “I've been running scared my whole life.” (Prager graduated from Stanford in 1969, before it was “Stanford.”) The billionaire energy trader turned philanthropist John Arnold echoed that sentiment on X last week: “I’ve had several conversations in recent years with people who hire undergrads for highly competitive jobs (tech, finance, consulting etc) that are moving away from the Ivies and towards flagship state universities, citing better cultural and professional fit.’’

So if the Ivies aren’t the Ivies anymore, which schools exactly are? Forbes decided to channel these hirers and determine the New Ivies, the 10 public universities and 10 ascendant private ones turning out the smart, driven graduates craved by employers of all types.

Michigan alumni>>>>Wisco alumni. Ann Coulter is a much better lawyer than Michael Dreeben.

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Anonymous wrote:I just said to someone that Illinois was the sleeper school out there. Strong academics and affordable.

Yes!! Go Illini!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only publics that are worthy of this list are UCB, UCLA, UVA, UMich, and honorable mentions to UNC and Gatech. For privates replace BC with WashU and give NYU an honorable mention.

that's your opinion. Forbes looked at statistics and surveyed hiring managers.

Stats that include a 50% acceptance rate barrier? Public schools really do ruin rankings, nothing elite or prestigious about UIUC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only publics that are worthy of this list are UCB, UCLA, UVA, UMich, and honorable mentions to UNC and Gatech. For privates replace BC with WashU and give NYU an honorable mention.

That is silly. Why do some DCUM people keep trying to anoint those schools. And they are nothing like Ivy League schools for undergraduate study.

If those 4 schools don't belong then no public school belongs there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only publics that are worthy of this list are UCB, UCLA, UVA, UMich, and honorable mentions to UNC and Gatech. For privates replace BC with WashU and give NYU an honorable mention.

that's your opinion. Forbes looked at statistics and surveyed hiring managers.

Stats that include a 50% acceptance rate barrier? Public schools really do ruin rankings, nothing elite or prestigious about UIUC.

There are two categories: "public ivy" and "private ivy"... two categories. Did I mention two categories?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lists like this are click bait.

and it works

Yep, lots of bored people living meaningless lives.

.. reading dcum.. kind of like you.

Nope, not clickbaits

but you clicked on this thread, which has a clickbait title

Nope, did not click on Forbes clickbait but I’d bet you did

but you clicked on a thread that clearly had the thread topic about a clickbait article.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only publics that are worthy of this list are UCB, UCLA, UVA, UMich, and honorable mentions to UNC and Gatech. For privates replace BC with WashU and give NYU an honorable mention.

that's your opinion. Forbes looked at statistics and surveyed hiring managers.

Stats that include a 50% acceptance rate barrier? Public schools really do ruin rankings, nothing elite or prestigious about UIUC.

There are two categories: "public ivy" and "private ivy"... two categories. Did I mention two categories?

That is the point the standard for "good public" colleges is so low. When many private schools meet or exceed the public criteria. For instance, Howard has a 30% acceptance rate and 1250 SAT score.

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Anonymous wrote:The only publics that are worthy of this list are UCB, UCLA, UVA, UMich, and honorable mentions to UNC and Gatech. For privates replace BC with WashU and give NYU an honorable mention.

that's your opinion. Forbes looked at statistics and surveyed hiring managers.

Stats that include a 50% acceptance rate barrier? Public schools really do ruin rankings, nothing elite or prestigious about UIUC.

There are two categories: "public ivy" and "private ivy"... two categories. Did I mention two categories?

That is the point the standard for "good public" colleges is so low. When many private schools meet or exceed the public criteria. For instance, Howard has a 30% acceptance rate and 1250 SAT score.

The top 10 publics have hundreds of thousands of undergrads. The top 10 privates have maybe 70k. A fair comparison of SATs & GPAs would to be to include as many privates as it takes to get to a number of undergrads that approximates the number of undergrads the top 10 publics have.

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Anonymous wrote:The only publics that are worthy of this list are UCB, UCLA, UVA, UMich, and honorable mentions to UNC and Gatech. For privates replace BC with WashU and give NYU an honorable mention.

that's your opinion. Forbes looked at statistics and surveyed hiring managers.

Stats that include a 50% acceptance rate barrier? Public schools really do ruin rankings, nothing elite or prestigious about UIUC.

There are two categories: "public ivy" and "private ivy"... two categories. Did I mention two categories?

That is the point the standard for "good public" colleges is so low. When many private schools meet or exceed the public criteria. For instance, Howard has a 30% acceptance rate and 1250 SAT score.

The top 10 publics have hundreds of thousands of undergrads. The top 10 privates have maybe 70k. A fair comparison of SATs & GPAs would to be to include as many privates as it takes to get to a number of undergrads that approximates the number of undergrads the top 10 publics have.

Or reduce to number of publics to match the privates. T25 privates have what 150-170k students? The undergrads at Berkeley, UCLA, Umich, UVA, UNC, and UF the top 6 publics on Usnews anounts to roughly 170k.

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Stop calling other good schools “Ivies.” There have always been selective schools, some more selective than Ivies, which just aren’t part of the 8-school athletic conference from the days of yore. This is just dumb.