Poor teaching skills

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

Professionals work until the job is done. That's a difference from an hourly employee.

This isn't Germany where even professionals will stop working when the clock stops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

Professionals work until the job is done. That's a difference from an hourly employee.

This isn't Germany where even professionals will stop working when the clock stops.

I knew someone would come in here and say this.

Teachers are done being martyrs. Half of our job needs to be done OUTSIDE work hours. When I say half, I am not exaggerating. I receive about 2.5 hours a week of time at work to grade, plan, answer emails, attend meetings, AND take care of my personal needs (like lunch).

If you applied for a job and they told you that half of your responsibilities must be done at home after work hours, would you simply say “great”?

You say it’s being professional. I say it’s being taken advantage of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

Professionals work until the job is done. That's a difference from an hourly employee.

This isn't Germany where even professionals will stop working when the clock stops.

I knew someone would come in here and say this.

Teachers are done being martyrs. Half of our job needs to be done OUTSIDE work hours. When I say half, I am not exaggerating. I receive about 2.5 hours a week of time at work to grade, plan, answer emails, attend meetings, AND take care of my personal needs (like lunch).

If you applied for a job and they told you that half of your responsibilities must be done at home after work hours, would you simply say “great”?

You say it’s being professional. I say it’s being taken advantage of.

Yes I walked into my job with the expectation of minimum 50 hour weeks. It's standard in the industry and why you talk to people in that job market back when you are selecting a major in college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

Professionals work until the job is done. That's a difference from an hourly employee.

This isn't Germany where even professionals will stop working when the clock stops.

I knew someone would come in here and say this.

Teachers are done being martyrs. Half of our job needs to be done OUTSIDE work hours. When I say half, I am not exaggerating. I receive about 2.5 hours a week of time at work to grade, plan, answer emails, attend meetings, AND take care of my personal needs (like lunch).

If you applied for a job and they told you that half of your responsibilities must be done at home after work hours, would you simply say “great”?

You say it’s being professional. I say it’s being taken advantage of.

Yes I walked into my job with the expectation of minimum 50 hour weeks. It's standard in the industry and why you talk to people in that job market back when you are selecting a major in college.

And I suspect you make a tad bit more than $75K for your efforts, don’t you?

And teachers just 10 years ago didn’t deal with this. The job has gotten MUCH harder. I would know. I’ve been teaching for 20.

And the news is out there. Education departments aren’t spitting out a ton of teachers anymore. And my high school students laugh at the idea of teaching: “Why would I work that hard for so little?”

We have two choices: fix what’s expected of teachers so we can bring good people into the field, or continue to abuse them and watch more people flee. Which side are you going to support?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

Professionals work until the job is done. That's a difference from an hourly employee.

This isn't Germany where even professionals will stop working when the clock stops.

Most teachers would be more than happy to work until the REASONABLE expectations of the job were done. However, when the job has become so difficult that it cannot be completed in a reasonable time-- fewer than 50-60 hours per week-- it has become impossible. Teachers are human beings. Expecting them to work themselves to the bone is not acceptable.

[Anonymous]

I’m a teacher and I don’t do work outside of work hours. I have a second job just to afford being a teacher. My free time is working. I have one afternoon a week off and I have zero desire to spend it grading or planning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and I don’t do work outside of work hours. I have a second job just to afford being a teacher. My free time is working. I have one afternoon a week off and I have zero desire to spend it grading or planning.

And you shouldn’t have to spend it grading or planning. You’re entitled to time off work!

Thank you for all that you do!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and I don’t do work outside of work hours. I have a second job just to afford being a teacher. My free time is working. I have one afternoon a week off and I have zero desire to spend it grading or planning.

I'm sorry, PP. That's just ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and I don’t do work outside of work hours. I have a second job just to afford being a teacher. My free time is working. I have one afternoon a week off and I have zero desire to spend it grading or planning.

I'm sorry, PP. That's just ridiculous.

I agree. I'd happily plan and grade after school if we were paid more. I barely have enough time to eat lunch let alone have more than 1 planning period per week to myself. Too many meetings, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

Professionals work until the job is done. That's a difference from an hourly employee.

This isn't Germany where even professionals will stop working when the clock stops.

I knew someone would come in here and say this.

Teachers are done being martyrs. Half of our job needs to be done OUTSIDE work hours. When I say half, I am not exaggerating. I receive about 2.5 hours a week of time at work to grade, plan, answer emails, attend meetings, AND take care of my personal needs (like lunch).

If you applied for a job and they told you that half of your responsibilities must be done at home after work hours, would you simply say “great”?

You say it’s being professional. I say it’s being taken advantage of.

Yes I walked into my job with the expectation of minimum 50 hour weeks. It's standard in the industry and why you talk to people in that job market back when you are selecting a major in college.

Not PP but please shut up you sound idiotic. Don't worry college kids today don't want to be teachers and get taken advantage of~ enjoy the teacher shortage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

Professionals work until the job is done. That's a difference from an hourly employee.

This isn't Germany where even professionals will stop working when the clock stops.

I knew someone would come in here and say this.

Teachers are done being martyrs. Half of our job needs to be done OUTSIDE work hours. When I say half, I am not exaggerating. I receive about 2.5 hours a week of time at work to grade, plan, answer emails, attend meetings, AND take care of my personal needs (like lunch).

If you applied for a job and they told you that half of your responsibilities must be done at home after work hours, would you simply say “great”?

You say it’s being professional. I say it’s being taken advantage of.

Yes I walked into my job with the expectation of minimum 50 hour weeks. It's standard in the industry and why you talk to people in that job market back when you are selecting a major in college.

Not PP but please shut up you sound idiotic. Don't worry college kids today don't want to be teachers and get taken advantage of~ enjoy the teacher shortage.

I guess you don't work in STEM, medicine, military, finance, CPA, law or any other profession then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

Professionals work until the job is done. That's a difference from an hourly employee.

This isn't Germany where even professionals will stop working when the clock stops.

I knew someone would come in here and say this.

Teachers are done being martyrs. Half of our job needs to be done OUTSIDE work hours. When I say half, I am not exaggerating. I receive about 2.5 hours a week of time at work to grade, plan, answer emails, attend meetings, AND take care of my personal needs (like lunch).

If you applied for a job and they told you that half of your responsibilities must be done at home after work hours, would you simply say “great”?

You say it’s being professional. I say it’s being taken advantage of.

Yes I walked into my job with the expectation of minimum 50 hour weeks. It's standard in the industry and why you talk to people in that job market back when you are selecting a major in college.

And I suspect you make a tad bit more than $75K for your efforts, don’t you?

And teachers just 10 years ago didn’t deal with this. The job has gotten MUCH harder. I would know. I’ve been teaching for 20.

And the news is out there. Education departments aren’t spitting out a ton of teachers anymore. And my high school students laugh at the idea of teaching: “Why would I work that hard for so little?”

We have two choices: fix what’s expected of teachers so we can bring good people into the field, or continue to abuse them and watch more people flee. Which side are you going to support?

My guess is the extra expectations in the bolded don't come from your garden variety DCUM poster. Aren't they more IEPs, stricter standards for IEP documentation, more stupid trainings, things like that? It's the bureaucracy that's killing things, not parents who just want their kids educated (with some weird unintended consequences from parents of kids who need IEPs who want their kids educated but the system - NOT the teachers usually - fails them).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have a clue what someone has going on in their lives and assuming that someone with no kids has more free time than someone without kids is ridiculous. People coach, have second jobs, could be caring for other family members. This is not a fair assumption.

But ultimately having kids means you have less free time overall than someone without kids. Get real.

I think you're the one who needs to get real. As others have said, you have no clue what someone has going on in their personal lives.

My former neighbor, a teacher, worked full-time, then went home to care for her husband who was suffering from ALS (they had a daytime CNA). She certainly had zero "free time," probably even less than someone with small children.

My cousin, a teacher, worked a second job from 4pm- 9pm four days per week, plus ten-hour days on both Saturday and Sunday. That's a second full-time job. She had very little "free time."

It doesn't matter, though. It is no one else's business how much "free time" someone has, and anyone even implying that someone without children should be able to do more work than is required, is inappropriate and a violation of their privacy.

Good examples above, and you are absolutely correct. It’s nobody’s business how much free time someone has.

And not to lose this point: teachers shouldn’t be expected to give up that free time, no matter how much or little they have.

There are so many threads here about teachers failing to return papers quickly, teachers not responding to emails, or teachers relying on online programs instead of providing live instruction. All of this occurs because planning and grading have to happen outside the work day, and sometimes teachers either can’t or won’t give up their “free time”.

Teachers need time AT work to do work.

Professionals work until the job is done. That's a difference from an hourly employee.

This isn't Germany where even professionals will stop working when the clock stops.

I knew someone would come in here and say this.

Teachers are done being martyrs. Half of our job needs to be done OUTSIDE work hours. When I say half, I am not exaggerating. I receive about 2.5 hours a week of time at work to grade, plan, answer emails, attend meetings, AND take care of my personal needs (like lunch).

If you applied for a job and they told you that half of your responsibilities must be done at home after work hours, would you simply say “great”?

You say it’s being professional. I say it’s being taken advantage of.

Yes I walked into my job with the expectation of minimum 50 hour weeks. It's standard in the industry and why you talk to people in that job market back when you are selecting a major in college.

Not PP but please shut up you sound idiotic. Don't worry college kids today don't want to be teachers and get taken advantage of~ enjoy the teacher shortage.

I guess you don't work in STEM, medicine, military, finance, CPA, law or any other profession then.

The difference is they are paid accordingly. Teachers are paid peanuts but expected to work crazy hours like lawyers or doctors? Bs.