Understanding Juvenile Carjacking: A Panel Discussion Moderated by Ward 6 Councilmember Charles Allen

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent point, PP

"There is nothing progressive about allowing violent criminals to rampage through marginalized communities with impunity."

We need to provide these citizens with the wrap-around services they need, so they don't need to resort to a life of crime to survive. The failure is on society for not providing these marginalized citizens a way forward.

NP. Nobody needs to be committing carjacking and dumping the cars a few hours later “to survive”. These people aren’t stealing loaves of bread. They’re terrorizing society.

This^. Don't try to justify criminal behavior. What are victims getting marginalized by not getting protection?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent point, PP

"There is nothing progressive about allowing violent criminals to rampage through marginalized communities with impunity."

We need to provide these citizens with the wrap-around services they need, so they don't need to resort to a life of crime to survive. The failure is on society for not providing these marginalized citizens a way forward.

NP. Nobody needs to be committing carjacking and dumping the cars a few hours later “to survive”. These people aren’t stealing loaves of bread. They’re terrorizing society.

Actually it makes sense to steal a car for a few hours, use it to run errands such as the grocery store, laundry mat or a run to a food bank. Then dump it somewhere. It literally makes sense, rather than a car rental which requires a valid ID card, credit card, etc. This is really about resources.

DC should have a car rental program in which impoverished residents can check out a car for a few hours and then drop it off a hubs located throughout the city.

Wtf? If I don't have a car, I would use public transport, not become a criminal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent point, PP

"There is nothing progressive about allowing violent criminals to rampage through marginalized communities with impunity."

We need to provide these citizens with the wrap-around services they need, so they don't need to resort to a life of crime to survive. The failure is on society for not providing these marginalized citizens a way forward.

NP. Nobody needs to be committing carjacking and dumping the cars a few hours later “to survive”. These people aren’t stealing loaves of bread. They’re terrorizing society.

Actually it makes sense to steal a car for a few hours, use it to run errands such as the grocery store, laundry mat or a run to a food bank. Then dump it somewhere. It literally makes sense, rather than a car rental which requires a valid ID card, credit card, etc. This is really about resources.

DC should have a car rental program in which impoverished residents can check out a car for a few hours and then drop it off a hubs located throughout the city.

Wtf? If I don't have a car, I would use public transport, not become a criminal.

Uh, no. These kids are not waving guns in people's faces and stealing their cars to run errands. They're doing it for kicks. And it needs to be shut down aggressively.

[Anonymous]

We don't care if elected politicians are responsible or hired bureaucrats, tax payers need protection. If local government can't find a solution, federal government needs to step in.

[Anonymous]

This is freaking Washington DC, capital of United States. There should be a combined meeting of senate and congress with president there to solve this issue. We didn't elect them to use our resources to help Israel or Ukraine, first help your own citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should try it........

During a panel, DC residents voiced their frustrations and demanded accountability from city leaders in addressing the violent crime epidemic that's plaguing our nation’s capital.

DC Attorney General Brian Schwalb’s response: “We cannot prosecute and arrest our way out of it.”

Wow. What a nutjob

Prosecuting and imprisoning people hasn't ended crime. It's time to try something else.

Since George Floyd’s death, and the subsequent promotion of progressive criminal justice reform policies to address police brutality, we have been trying alternatives to carceral punishment.

Look at the results.

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just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

Literally nothing.

Yep.

All those saps in places like rural China and India and living on less than $5 a day have no idea how lucky they are.

I mean they could move here and have the most tuition ($26k per year) spent on their children’s public education. They could get subsidized internet. Ugh these people have so much more than these poverty stricken Americans who have no choice but truancy and free cars.

[Anonymous]

I hate that I agree with Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-ag-residents-city-cannot-prosecute-arrest-crime-crisis-madness.amp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The residents caused the food deserts due to extreme theft. Businesses cannot afford to operate under extreme theft conditions.

7 million illegal aliens will take the free DC housing and heat right now.

And then the DC woke warriors will claim that the “food deserts” are the result of systemic racism.

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A DC man, who was a graduate of the very crime prevention programs Allen and his ilk tout and who apparently wanted to become a violence interrupter himself, was recently killed by gun violence: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/they-took-another-good-one-dc-mother-loses-2nd-child-to-gun-violence/3532572/

We have to stop acting like prevention and programs are going to solve the crime problem. There is a role for prevention and rehabilitation, but it is not a replacement for policing, removal and prosecution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent point, PP

"There is nothing progressive about allowing violent criminals to rampage through marginalized communities with impunity."

We need to provide these citizens with the wrap-around services they need, so they don't need to resort to a life of crime to survive. The failure is on society for not providing these marginalized citizens a way forward.

NP. Nobody needs to be committing carjacking and dumping the cars a few hours later “to survive”. These people aren’t stealing loaves of bread. They’re terrorizing society.

Actually it makes sense to steal a car for a few hours, use it to run errands such as the grocery store, laundry mat or a run to a food bank. Then dump it somewhere. It literally makes sense, rather than a car rental which requires a valid ID card, credit card, etc. This is really about resources.

DC should have a car rental program in which impoverished residents can check out a car for a few hours and then drop it off a hubs located throughout the city.

1) No one, and I mean no one, is car jacking in order to run errands to the grocery store, laundry mat, or a food bank. People who are going to the grocery store and laundry mat have bought into a baseline level of human decency that does not involve shoving a gun in someone's face, ordering them out of their car, and then stealing it.

2) A major reason behind youth car jacking is that these kids cannot legally drive cars. So a car rental program wouldn't even work for them. As one of the articles posted upthread mentioned, one reason you see a lot of 13/14/15/16 yr old kids carjacking is that these kids do not have drivers licenses and cannot legally drive, so car jacking is a way for them to get a car and drive. This is also a reason why so many car jackign arrests involve teens -- they are crap drivers and therefore are more likely to get in a car accident with the stolen vehicle, leading to apprehension. They are car jacking because they are immature children who are being poorly supervised or guided by adults.

3) The other major reason behind car jacking, for youth and adults, is in service to other crimes. Stealing a car in order to go commit a shooting or robbery will make it harder to be linked to the crime than using your own car. Again, a car rental service where you had to show ID would not serve this purpose. On the other hand, a car rental service where you didn't have to show idea would just become a getaway car service. Genius.

Car jacking is an EXTREMELY anti-social behavior. It's terrifying for the person being car jacked, who is not only having their mode of transportation stolen from, but generally is being threatened with their life. Car jacking among adults should be prosecuted and punished to the full ability of the law because it is the kind of crime that creates general fear in the community and can inhibit people's ability or willingness to go to work and engage in other commerce. It is really bad for communities. Car jacking among kids needs an aggressive deterrence program, where there are real consequences for the kids that do it, as well as ongoing education and messages in these communities to make sure kids understand these consequences AND understand how car jacking hurts not just the victims but also their neighbors and families, who become more fearful as car jacking becomes more common.

Also, how about before we start some kind of charitable car rental services, we just make public transportation really strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

just give them the money so that they will have time to work on improving themselves

UBI is definitely a goal of groups promoting a decarceral agenda. And as someone upthread said, public safety is being held hostage to further that agenda, but it's a bait and switch, these groups also profit from chaos. Their goal will never be to do what Baltimore is doing so successfully. And these groups are controlling DC govt.

But "work on themselves" is a very middle class and elitist attitude, PP.

Why don't we focus on helping people who ARE NOT behaving violently towards others? Why don't we focus on safety as a fundamental for all and remove those who are dangerous? On Maslow's hierarchy of need, safety is very fundamental.

Who is benefitting from turning DC into Gotham?

We will be judged by how we treat the most vulnerable in our society. These people have literally nothing and you refuse to give them anything. How will they better themselves?

The poor in DC have housing, health care, free schools, free metro cards, etc., etc.

Your BS does not effectively deflect from the fact that lax decarceral policies disproportionately result in DEAD AND SHOT POOR BLACK PEOPLE. How will they better themselves if DEAD? GTFO with your nonsense.

Housing can be housing but not adequate housing. There are plenty of WashPo articles about the truly poor living in rat/roach and other bug infested apartments while the landlords collect city money and don't provide repairs. Housing Enforcment is a so process.

Food can be provided but those is Ward 7 and Ward 8 live in food deserts and access to high quality foods is often unavailable. Once again, there was a WashPo article about the moldy veggies, low quality fruit options and poor meat that was often spoiled found in grocery stores in Ward 7 and 8.

DC just started renovating the schools in the last 2 decades, prior to that, the kids went to school in broken buildings with heat/cooling issues, rodents, bad curriculum and violence.

So let's stop discussing what "FREEBIES" the poor in DC receive m, when it's actually no that free and is literally a step above sleeping on the streets with other unhoused populations.

The supermarkets won't go there because loss prevention is INSANE. They are businesses, not charities. Ask the Mayor to offer to put a police substation in every supermarket that willingly goes into 7 and 8. But you'd have to not simultaneously demonize the police. There's a reason for the expression "you can't have your cake and eat it too".

What exactly do you do with your cake if you cannot eat it??

Once you’ve eaten the cake you don’t have it anymore.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_can't_have_your_cake_and_eat_it

It's an idiom..it means you can't have it all ways, much as DC liberals would like to. Ie you can't have leniency towards shoplifters and violent criminals and a thriving, safe shopping district. That sort of thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Excellent point, PP

"There is nothing progressive about allowing violent criminals to rampage through marginalized communities with impunity."

We need to provide these citizens with the wrap-around services they need, so they don't need to resort to a life of crime to survive. The failure is on society for not providing these marginalized citizens a way forward.

NP. Nobody needs to be committing carjacking and dumping the cars a few hours later “to survive”. These people aren’t stealing loaves of bread. They’re terrorizing society.

Actually it makes sense to steal a car for a few hours, use it to run errands such as the grocery store, laundry mat or a run to a food bank. Then dump it somewhere. It literally makes sense, rather than a car rental which requires a valid ID card, credit card, etc. This is really about resources.

DC should have a car rental program in which impoverished residents can check out a car for a few hours and then drop it off a hubs located throughout the city.

1) No one, and I mean no one, is car jacking in order to run errands to the grocery store, laundry mat, or a food bank. People who are going to the grocery store and laundry mat have bought into a baseline level of human decency that does not involve shoving a gun in someone's face, ordering them out of their car, and then stealing it.

2) A major reason behind youth car jacking is that these kids cannot legally drive cars. So a car rental program wouldn't even work for them. As one of the articles posted upthread mentioned, one reason you see a lot of 13/14/15/16 yr old kids carjacking is that these kids do not have drivers licenses and cannot legally drive, so car jacking is a way for them to get a car and drive. This is also a reason why so many car jackign arrests involve teens -- they are crap drivers and therefore are more likely to get in a car accident with the stolen vehicle, leading to apprehension. They are car jacking because they are immature children who are being poorly supervised or guided by adults.

3) The other major reason behind car jacking, for youth and adults, is in service to other crimes. Stealing a car in order to go commit a shooting or robbery will make it harder to be linked to the crime than using your own car. Again, a car rental service where you had to show ID would not serve this purpose. On the other hand, a car rental service where you didn't have to show idea would just become a getaway car service. Genius.

Car jacking is an EXTREMELY anti-social behavior. It's terrifying for the person being car jacked, who is not only having their mode of transportation stolen from, but generally is being threatened with their life. Car jacking among adults should be prosecuted and punished to the full ability of the law because it is the kind of crime that creates general fear in the community and can inhibit people's ability or willingness to go to work and engage in other commerce. It is really bad for communities. Car jacking among kids needs an aggressive deterrence program, where there are real consequences for the kids that do it, as well as ongoing education and messages in these communities to make sure kids understand these consequences AND understand how car jacking hurts not just the victims but also their neighbors and families, who become more fearful as car jacking becomes more common.

Also, how about before we start some kind of charitable car rental services, we just make public transportation really strong.

Yes. My friend that was carjacked, it then went on a spree around town violating other people and businesses. Same with stolen cars. Just charming behavior .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A DC man, who was a graduate of the very crime prevention programs Allen and his ilk tout and who apparently wanted to become a violence interrupter himself, was recently killed by gun violence: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/they-took-another-good-one-dc-mother-loses-2nd-child-to-gun-violence/3532572/

We have to stop acting like prevention and programs are going to solve the crime problem. There is a role for prevention and rehabilitation, but it is not a replacement for policing, removal and prosecution.

Agree! Please tell that to Brian "we can't arrest and prosecute our way out of this" and "kids are kids" Schwab.

[Anonymous]

Good recap at link in Schwab's post. The voices of parents and those in the community should be given more weight than those of ideologues and activists who may not even live in DC, imho.