US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

However, unlike many on this board kept arrogantly asserting, the end of Roberts' opinion clearly specifies that universities MAY NOT use essays or any other soft means to set up essentially the same system in effect today. That means they cannot use a "back door" to still discriminate via soft methods. So, sorry racist people on DCUM, your dreams are shattered lol

There are so many "soft methods" that you can't even imagine.

The elite colleges and universities will continue to amass a super-diverse enrollment. Ha!

Colleges should be very very careful and ask themselves it it's worth the risk.
I see huge potential lawsuts

Spell it out for me. How would a successful lawsuit be structured after this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Name and zip code can be used as a proxy for race at a high degree of accuracy, but running a program like that would seem to violate the holding of this case.

Running that program would mean knowing everyone involved from the developers to the part time employees doing data entry to everyone on the admissions team using the results stayed quiet because if one of them decides to be a whistle blower, the university is getting sued

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Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

However, unlike many on this board kept arrogantly asserting, the end of Roberts' opinion clearly specifies that universities MAY NOT use essays or any other soft means to set up essentially the same system in effect today. That means they cannot use a "back door" to still discriminate via soft methods. So, sorry racist people on DCUM, your dreams are shattered lol

The above arrogant poster is wrong.

Applicants can still write about how their race affected them as an individual in their college app essays.

Students are free to discuss how race affected his or her life. However, the SCOTUS emphasis is, "despite the dissent's assertion to the contrary, universities may not... establish ... the regime we hold unlawful today."
So, there.

LOl ! Wow ! You really need to read the opinion before posting incorrect information. So there !

I was lifting from the opinion. It's a cut and paste of what the court ruled this morning. I didn't write the opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It a great day for Asian families for sure.

. I don't see any change in outcomes for Asian families next year. One year from now, the same kids who didn't get into ivies will be denied. Not much will change...

Just like 96%+ of those who apply are also denied

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand some of you. Are you upset that Supreme Court overturned a racist law?

This co-opting of the term "racist" is disingenuous. Did you read SC Justice Brown's dissent? There are reasonable disagreements with affirmative action (as well as reasonable justifications for it), but higher education is an important tool in addressing systemic racism in our society that disproportionately affects Black families given the history of slavery, Jim Crow laws and their residual effects in so many ways in present society (disproportionate policing and sentencing for similar crimes is just one example), but also impacts other URMs. Systemic racism will be harder to address without the types of affirmative action policies colleges developed.

So you think it was fair that Brown's kids would have gotten a bump based on race while a white or asian janitor's kid would be dinged for their race?

The janitor's would have gotten a bigger bump based on their income status. But also no matter how rich Brown's kids are--they are still more likely to be stopped by the police, monitored in every store they go into, etc. Racism affects every day life for Black people in this country in a very dramatic way--no matter how rich they are.

I’m black and the main way racism affects me if dealing with liberals like you who think I’m an so constantly oppressed that I need affirmative action and your “allyship” to succeed. Suck it. I’m going out to celebrate this decision!

[Anonymous]

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

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Anonymous wrote:From Columbia University:

"higher education will take five years to fully adjust to the new legal landscape, as committees and task forces—already in place at many schools—explore ways to employ income levels, socioeconomic factors and other race-neutral factors to maintain diversity."

Folks...us white people are the winners. Do you think the group that brought the cases to the Supreme Court care about Asians?

doesn't matter what you think. getting rid of AA will give Asian students (more) equal chances to be admitted. If white students are better, they deserve it.

Not exactly. Going forward, Asian students will no longer benefit from what is currently a very strong URM advantage at top 20 SLACs and underrepresented Asian subgroups (e.g., from Myanmar) will no longer have a URM hook at Ivies.

The lawsuits were brought by a white supremacist legal organization, so the idea that Asians were ever in a position to gain something meaningful is frankly preposterous. The American right-wing, filled as it is with anti-Asian bigots, stoked anger among Asian-American parents and students as a way of entrenching white privilege. Facts.

I’m pretty sure those are not “facts.”

They are, though. If you think elite institutions are suddenly going to become majority Asian, you're kidding yourself, because this country is too damn racist for that, too.

US is 7% Asian.

Harvard is 30% Asian
MIT is 40% Asian

This ruling will apply upward pressure on those numbers.

This actually helps Asian Americans.

I’m white- and it is good. Hopkins is a majority Asian. They deserve to be there. I’m fine with merit-based competition. I just wish test scores were mandatory too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand some of you. Are you upset that Supreme Court overturned a racist law?

This co-opting of the term "racist" is disingenuous. Did you read SC Justice Brown's dissent? There are reasonable disagreements with affirmative action (as well as reasonable justifications for it), but higher education is an important tool in addressing systemic racism in our society that disproportionately affects Black families given the history of slavery, Jim Crow laws and their residual effects in so many ways in present society (disproportionate policing and sentencing for similar crimes is just one example), but also impacts other URMs. Systemic racism will be harder to address without the types of affirmative action policies colleges developed.

So you think it was fair that Brown's kids would have gotten a bump based on race while a white or asian janitor's kid would be dinged for their race?

The janitor's would have gotten a bigger bump based on their income status. But also no matter how rich Brown's kids are--they are still more likely to be stopped by the police, monitored in every store they go into, etc. Racism affects every day life for Black people in this country in a very dramatic way--no matter how rich they are.

Who the @#^&$# is Brown?

SC Justice Ketanji Brown who wrote the dissenting opinion on the case we are discussing.

Colorblind-struck much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Interesting that Thomas has not resigned the Supreme Court position that he got via a now-illegal race-based preference.

[Anonymous]

Formal consideration of race is excluded from the admissions process.

HOWEVER, racially influencing factors are NOT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Columbia University:

"higher education will take five years to fully adjust to the new legal landscape, as committees and task forces—already in place at many schools—explore ways to employ income levels, socioeconomic factors and other race-neutral factors to maintain diversity."

Folks...us white people are the winners. Do you think the group that brought the cases to the Supreme Court care about Asians?

doesn't matter what you think. getting rid of AA will give Asian students (more) equal chances to be admitted. If white students are better, they deserve it.

Not exactly. Going forward, Asian students will no longer benefit from what is currently a very strong URM advantage at top 20 SLACs and underrepresented Asian subgroups (e.g., from Myanmar) will no longer have a URM hook at Ivies.

The lawsuits were brought by a white supremacist legal organization, so the idea that Asians were ever in a position to gain something meaningful is frankly preposterous. The American right-wing, filled as it is with anti-Asian bigots, stoked anger among Asian-American parents and students as a way of entrenching white privilege. Facts.

I’m pretty sure those are not “facts.”

They are, though. If you think elite institutions are suddenly going to become majority Asian, you're kidding yourself, because this country is too damn racist for that, too.

US is 7% Asian.

Harvard is 30% Asian
MIT is 40% Asian

This ruling will apply upward pressure on those numbers.

This actually helps Asian Americans.

I’m white- and it is good. Hopkins is a majority Asian. They deserve to be there. I’m fine with merit-based competition. I just wish test scores were mandatory too.

I think we'll see a decrease in test scores, not making them mandatory.

[Anonymous]

so now Harvard will look for “experience factors.. “

they will find a way to get around this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students can still discuss how race affected their lives in college essays according to today's US Supreme Court opinion.

College applications cannot have boxes to check indicating an applicant's race.

However, unlike many on this board kept arrogantly asserting, the end of Roberts' opinion clearly specifies that universities MAY NOT use essays or any other soft means to set up essentially the same system in effect today. That means they cannot use a "back door" to still discriminate via soft methods. So, sorry racist people on DCUM, your dreams are shattered lol

The above arrogant poster is wrong.

Applicants can still write about how their race affected them as an individual in their college app essays.

as long as colleges don't explicitly document that race is why the application went into the "acceptance" pile, this is how they will get around it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

True but highly misleading:

"Nearly half of Black Americans (47%) say they approve of colleges and universities considering prospective students’ racial and ethnic backgrounds when making admissions decisions, compared with 29% who disapprove (24% are not sure)." Yes, it's a minority who approve, but of those with an opinion, 62% approve.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/08/more-americans-disapprove-than-approve-of-colleges-considering-race-ethnicity-in-admissions-decisions/

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Ketanji Brown was not having it. She is apparently furious with the result. She grilled the plaintiffs attorneys, too. The justice was nominated in February by Joe Biden upon Stephen Breyer’s retirement. She was confirmed by the US Senate in April and had already been making an impact in the court’s new term.

“Ketanji Brown Jackson grills lawyer in case seeking to end affirmative action“

From: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/nov/01/ketanji-brown-jackson-affirmative-action-higher-education-admissions