Keenan Anderson - black teacher killed by LAPD

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sad by some of the posters here where in 2023 there is no personal responsibility or accountability for any personal actions and this is now acceptable to most of society. This man, a teacher who teaches kids, was high on cocaine, weed, who knows what else, causing car accidents in the middle of the road yet he will somehow be named a hero.

Does he deserve to die for that, you psychopath?

NP

I say frequently that personal responsibility has gone the way of the dodo.
He may not have DESERVED to die, but his death is not shocking considering his actions.

If some idiot runs out in front of a speeding train because he thinks he can beat it, and he dies, did he deserve to die? Nope. But, his death is not at all shocking and there is plenty he could have done to prevent it.

False equivalence

Police are trained to respond to such threats or lack thereof.

Speeding trains are not.

The level of force was way disproportionate to the threat he posed six armed officers.

I’m sure they are trained to tase people who are a danger to themselves or others. Which they did.

Yeah right - six of them on one terrified unarmed man in the ground pleading for his life and not resisting arrest.

Don’t let evidence or reality get in the way of your dogma …

He was resisting. It took multiple officers to hold him down. The officer with the taser warned him at least four times that he was going to taser him if he didn't stop resisting. Clearly he was terrified and irrational, not malevolent, but what would have been a better course of action? Let him just run off? Let him keep fighting back? If he had stopped resisting he wouldn't have been tased. If he had sat down on the sidewalk when asked and not run out into the street there would not have been a physical struggle.

A problem with the "stop resisting" position...is the position. In most video I've seen, the "resisting" individual is being ordered to do something at the same time some portion of their body is being forced into an unnatural position. You'd move (resist) too, if your arm/hand/head was forcibly held at an unnatural and painful angle.

Nobody believes that nonsense. Cops aren't UFC fighters. Comply with verbal commands or get tazed.

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Another senseless death.

So quick to post this but I guess you haven't watched the body cam video yet.

Yeah, no. Taking drugs is not executable on the spot by firing squad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[/url]https://wtop.com/dc/2023/01/dc-teacher-dies-after-los-angeles-police-encounter/[url]

Another senseless death.

So quick to post this but I guess you haven't watched the body cam video yet.

Yeah, no. Taking drugs is not executable on the spot by firing squad.

Do firing squads now use tasers?

[Anonymous]

TLDR

THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED TO A WHITE BOY.

AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sad by some of the posters here where in 2023 there is no personal responsibility or accountability for any personal actions and this is now acceptable to most of society. This man, a teacher who teaches kids, was high on cocaine, weed, who knows what else, causing car accidents in the middle of the road yet he will somehow be named a hero.

Does he deserve to die for that, you psychopath?

NP

I say frequently that personal responsibility has gone the way of the dodo.
He may not have DESERVED to die, but his death is not shocking considering his actions.

If some idiot runs out in front of a speeding train because he thinks he can beat it, and he dies, did he deserve to die? Nope. But, his death is not at all shocking and there is plenty he could have done to prevent it.

False equivalence

Police are trained to respond to such threats or lack thereof.

Speeding trains are not.

The level of force was way disproportionate to the threat he posed six armed officers.

I’m sure they are trained to tase people who are a danger to themselves or others. Which they did.

Yeah right - six of them on one terrified unarmed man in the ground pleading for his life and not resisting arrest.

Don’t let evidence or reality get in the way of your dogma …

He was resisting. It took multiple officers to hold him down. The officer with the taser warned him at least four times that he was going to taser him if he didn't stop resisting. Clearly he was terrified and irrational, not malevolent, but what would have been a better course of action? Let him just run off? Let him keep fighting back? If he had stopped resisting he wouldn't have been tased. If he had sat down on the sidewalk when asked and not run out into the street there would not have been a physical struggle.

A problem with the "stop resisting" position...is the position. In most video I've seen, the "resisting" individual is being ordered to do something at the same time some portion of their body is being forced into an unnatural position. You'd move (resist) too, if your arm/hand/head was forcibly held at an unnatural and painful angle.

Nobody believes that nonsense. Cops aren't UFC fighters. Comply with verbal commands or get tazed.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TLDR

THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED TO A WHITE BOY.

AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

Agree and the level of force was unnecessary.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sad by some of the posters here where in 2023 there is no personal responsibility or accountability for any personal actions and this is now acceptable to most of society. This man, a teacher who teaches kids, was high on cocaine, weed, who knows what else, causing car accidents in the middle of the road yet he will somehow be named a hero.

Does he deserve to die for that, you psychopath?

NP

I say frequently that personal responsibility has gone the way of the dodo.
He may not have DESERVED to die, but his death is not shocking considering his actions.

If some idiot runs out in front of a speeding train because he thinks he can beat it, and he dies, did he deserve to die? Nope. But, his death is not at all shocking and there is plenty he could have done to prevent it.

False equivalence

Police are trained to respond to such threats or lack thereof.

Speeding trains are not.

The level of force was way disproportionate to the threat he posed six armed officers.

I’m sure they are trained to tase people who are a danger to themselves or others. Which they did.

Yeah right - six of them on one terrified unarmed man in the ground pleading for his life and not resisting arrest.

Don’t let evidence or reality get in the way of your dogma …

He was resisting. It took multiple officers to hold him down. The officer with the taser warned him at least four times that he was going to taser him if he didn't stop resisting. Clearly he was terrified and irrational, not malevolent, but what would have been a better course of action? Let him just run off? Let him keep fighting back? If he had stopped resisting he wouldn't have been tased. If he had sat down on the sidewalk when asked and not run out into the street there would not have been a physical struggle.

A problem with the "stop resisting" position...is the position. In most video I've seen, the "resisting" individual is being ordered to do something at the same time some portion of their body is being forced into an unnatural position. You'd move (resist) too, if your arm/hand/head was forcibly held at an unnatural and painful angle.

Nobody believes that nonsense. Cops aren't UFC fighters. Comply with verbal commands or get tazed.

+1

Speak for yourselves and not everyone.

Many of us do not think the level of force was justified and that racism likely did play an unconscious role in the way his mental illness was handled.

The police need more training to handle people with mental illness better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TLDR

THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED TO A WHITE BOY.

AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

I’m old enough to remember “Don’t tase me, bro!”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sad by some of the posters here where in 2023 there is no personal responsibility or accountability for any personal actions and this is now acceptable to most of society. This man, a teacher who teaches kids, was high on cocaine, weed, who knows what else, causing car accidents in the middle of the road yet he will somehow be named a hero.

Does he deserve to die for that, you psychopath?

NP

I say frequently that personal responsibility has gone the way of the dodo.
He may not have DESERVED to die, but his death is not shocking considering his actions.

If some idiot runs out in front of a speeding train because he thinks he can beat it, and he dies, did he deserve to die? Nope. But, his death is not at all shocking and there is plenty he could have done to prevent it.

False equivalence

Police are trained to respond to such threats or lack thereof.

Speeding trains are not.

The level of force was way disproportionate to the threat he posed six armed officers.

I’m sure they are trained to tase people who are a danger to themselves or others. Which they did.

Yeah right - six of them on one terrified unarmed man in the ground pleading for his life and not resisting arrest.

Don’t let evidence or reality get in the way of your dogma …

He was resisting. It took multiple officers to hold him down. The officer with the taser warned him at least four times that he was going to taser him if he didn't stop resisting. Clearly he was terrified and irrational, not malevolent, but what would have been a better course of action? Let him just run off? Let him keep fighting back? If he had stopped resisting he wouldn't have been tased. If he had sat down on the sidewalk when asked and not run out into the street there would not have been a physical struggle.

A problem with the "stop resisting" position...is the position. In most video I've seen, the "resisting" individual is being ordered to do something at the same time some portion of their body is being forced into an unnatural position. You'd move (resist) too, if your arm/hand/head was forcibly held at an unnatural and painful angle.

Nobody believes that nonsense. Cops aren't UFC fighters. Comply with verbal commands or get tazed.

+1

Speak for yourselves and not everyone.

Many of us do not think the level of force was justified and that racism likely did play an unconscious role in the way his mental illness was handled.

The police need more training to handle people with mental illness better.

Sorry should say level of force was NOT justified ..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TLDR

THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED TO A WHITE BOY.

AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

False. It has happened to white people. And you know that.

[Anonymous]

Wait, so cocaine use = mental illness?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TLDR

THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED TO A WHITE BOY.

AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

False. It has happened to white people. And you know that.

What we know is that it is much more likely to happen to people of color
- and the historic reasons and practical solutions are complex but important to work on.

[Anonymous]

There is a complex history related to obvious unequal treatment of POC by both the police and judiciary systems.
police need more training but for that to be effective we need more research and data.

What the data say about police brutality and racial bias — and which reforms might work
Some interventions could help to reduce racism and rein in the use of unnecessary force in police work, but the evidence base is still evolving.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Political leaders and activists pushing for change in the United States have widely endorsed body-worn cameras, de-escalation training, implicit-bias training, early intervention systems, the banning of chokeholds, and civilian oversight since the tragedies of 2014. A survey of 47 of the largest US law-enforcement agencies between 2015 and 2017 found that 39% changed their use-of-force policies in 2015–16 and revised their training to incorporate tactics such as de-escalation. Among the agencies surveyed, officer-involved shootings dropped by 21% during the study period1


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/02/solving-racial-disparities-in-policing/

The history of racialized policing
Like many scholars, Khalil Gibran Muhammad, professor of history, race, and public policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, traces the history of policing in America to “slave patrols” in the antebellum South, in which white citizens were expected to help supervise the movements of enslaved Black people. This legacy, he believes, can still be seen in policing today. “The surveillance, the deputization essentially of all white men to be police officers or, in this case, slave patrollers, and then to dispense corporal punishment on the scene are all baked in from the very beginning,” he told NPR last year.
…
Policing and criminal justice system
Alexandra Natapoff, Lee S. Kreindler Professor of Law, sees policing as inexorably linked to the country’s criminal justice system and its long ties to racism.
“Policing does not stand alone or apart from how we charge people with crimes, or how we convict them, or how we treat them once they’ve been convicted,” she said. “That entire bundle of official practices is a central part of how we govern, and in particular, how we have historically governed Black people and other people of color, and economically and socially disadvantaged populations.”

[Anonymous]

Being tased is not killing someone the way shooting them is. There are risks of course, but that is also the case with physical force.

I feel very bad for Keenan Anderson, but I am also not sure if the police was in the wrong either. He ran into traffic and resisted arrest. What surprised me is why was it so hard for that many officers to get handcuffs on someone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TLDR

THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED TO A WHITE BOY.

AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT.

False. It has happened to white people. And you know that.

What we know is that it is much more likely to happen to people of color
- and the historic reasons and practical solutions are complex but important to work on.

"Much more likely to happen" is not the same thing as "always."

Are you the pp that said in all caps "WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED TO A WHITE BOY?"