Bethune joining MSDC Lottery, still no LAMB

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

There is no publicly reported data for native speakers for charters (DCPS runs 2 lotteries for its immersion schools so their balance is 50-50).

We can sort of get a sense by using the percentage of ELL students as a rough proxy for native speakers (I know it isn't perfect since not every ELL student comes from a Spanish-spekaing household). Here is how LAMB compares to the other dual language Spanish charter schools.

From enrollment audit 17-18 - ELL students/Total students

LAMB
167/462 - 36%

MV
122/578 - 21%

DCB
200/440 - 45%

Stokes (with the French / Spanish it is even a worse comparison... but someone will ask)
25/350 - 7%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

I believe it. Unlike a Powell or Bancroft which are neighborhood schools with Hispanic populations, how else will Lamb be able to have a balance? Gentrification isn’t likely to support the dual-language model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

There is no publicly reported data for native speakers for charters (DCPS runs 2 lotteries for its immersion schools so their balance is 50-50).

We can sort of get a sense by using the percentage of ELL students as a rough proxy for native speakers (I know it isn't perfect since not every ELL student comes from a Spanish-spekaing household). Here is how LAMB compares to the other dual language Spanish charter schools.

From enrollment audit 17-18 - ELL students/Total students

LAMB
167/462 - 36%

MV
122/578 - 21%

DCB
200/440 - 45%

Stokes (with the French / Spanish it is even a worse comparison... but someone will ask)
25/350 - 7%

Interesting. DCB is higher, but, I think LAMB would head more toward the way of Stokes or maybe MV. DCB only recently became "desirable" and "HRCS". Perhaps the plan is working after all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

There is no publicly reported data for native speakers for charters (DCPS runs 2 lotteries for its immersion schools so their balance is 50-50).

We can sort of get a sense by using the percentage of ELL students as a rough proxy for native speakers (I know it isn't perfect since not every ELL student comes from a Spanish-spekaing household). Here is how LAMB compares to the other dual language Spanish charter schools.

From enrollment audit 17-18 - ELL students/Total students

LAMB
167/462 - 36%

MV
122/578 - 21%

DCB
200/440 - 45%

Stokes (with the French / Spanish it is even a worse comparison... but someone will ask)
25/350 - 7%

Interesting. DCB is higher, but, I think LAMB would head more toward the way of Stokes or maybe MV. DCB only recently became "desirable" and "HRCS". Perhaps the plan is working after all.

I think that if LAMB went to the common lottery its stats would quickly look like YY, given that it has been one of the highest performing charters for more than a decade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

I believe it. Unlike a Powell or Bancroft which are neighborhood schools with Hispanic populations, how else will Lamb be able to have a balance? Gentrification isn’t likely to support the dual-language model.

Dont forget about Bruce Monroe-also a DCPS spanish immersion. BM is about 70% spanish dominant. And honestly its unfair that neighborhood kids get shut out in preschool because they are english dominant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

I believe it. Unlike a Powell or Bancroft which are neighborhood schools with Hispanic populations, how else will Lamb be able to have a balance? Gentrification isn’t likely to support the dual-language model.

Dont forget about Bruce Monroe-also a DCPS spanish immersion. BM is about 70% spanish dominant. And honestly its unfair that neighborhood kids get shut out in preschool because they are english dominant.

In some ways it seems MORE fair to have spanish dominant preference allowed in charter than allowed in DCPS. Seems backwards, no?

If this doesn't change, all the dual language charters are going to struggle actually teaching the language because they won't have any more native speakers. Already this is happening. It also fails the mission of some of the charters (ie, serve ELL).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

I believe it. Unlike a Powell or Bancroft which are neighborhood schools with Hispanic populations, how else will Lamb be able to have a balance? Gentrification isn’t likely to support the dual-language model.

Dont forget about Bruce Monroe-also a DCPS spanish immersion. BM is about 70% spanish dominant. And honestly its unfair that neighborhood kids get shut out in preschool because they are english dominant.

In some ways it seems MORE fair to have spanish dominant preference allowed in charter than allowed in DCPS. Seems backwards, no?

If this doesn't change, all the dual language charters are going to struggle actually teaching the language because they won't have any more native speakers. Already this is happening. It also fails the mission of some of the charters (ie, serve ELL).

Yes it does seem backwards but it’s the law, and we would have to change the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

I believe it. Unlike a Powell or Bancroft which are neighborhood schools with Hispanic populations, how else will Lamb be able to have a balance? Gentrification isn’t likely to support the dual-language model.

Dont forget about Bruce Monroe-also a DCPS spanish immersion. BM is about 70% spanish dominant. And honestly its unfair that neighborhood kids get shut out in preschool because they are english dominant.

I didn’t forget. Didn’t feel like naming any others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it works for them. Because they aren’t required to. Because they dont want to pay the fee required to be in the lottery.

I didn’t realize there is a fee to join.

Schools pay a 'tax' to support it based on how many students they have in their school.

This is not remotely true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

I believe it. Unlike a Powell or Bancroft which are neighborhood schools with Hispanic populations, how else will Lamb be able to have a balance? Gentrification isn’t likely to support the dual-language model.

Dont forget about Bruce Monroe-also a DCPS spanish immersion. BM is about 70% spanish dominant. And honestly its unfair that neighborhood kids get shut out in preschool because they are english dominant.

In some ways it seems MORE fair to have spanish dominant preference allowed in charter than allowed in DCPS. Seems backwards, no?

If this doesn't change, all the dual language charters are going to struggle actually teaching the language because they won't have any more native speakers. Already this is happening. It also fails the mission of some of the charters (ie, serve ELL).

Oh well, move to an IB school with a high Hispanic population if you’re serious about dual-language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

I believe it. Unlike a Powell or Bancroft which are neighborhood schools with Hispanic populations, how else will Lamb be able to have a balance? Gentrification isn’t likely to support the dual-language model.

You don't think the white gentrifiers find LAMB's separate lottery? Or are you suggesting that LAMB doesn't actually go in the order of their separate lottery. They pick the Hispanic families out of order?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people care about this. It means that people can put in for 13 schools, not just 12. I was thrilled to have this an extra option.

People honestly think that an MSDC audit is better than the audit already done on LAMB's lottery? That's putting a lot of faith in a system that, by other accounts, has its own issues.

If you are referring to the DME and Chancellor cheating - they went around MSDC. Maybe because of the audit? Not sure what "audit already done on LAMB's lottery" you are talking about. Does PCSB do an audit of LAMB?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

I believe it. Unlike a Powell or Bancroft which are neighborhood schools with Hispanic populations, how else will Lamb be able to have a balance? Gentrification isn’t likely to support the dual-language model.

You don't think the white gentrifiers find LAMB's separate lottery? Or are you suggesting that LAMB doesn't actually go in the order of their separate lottery. They pick the Hispanic families out of order?[/quote]

NP. They factually have done this in the past. I don't think they are doing it anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real answer is because they want to try to acquire native speaker families to support their immersion model and they know if they are in the common lottery every white gentrifier will mindlessly click the button to add them to their list.

I know this is the reason stated. Does anyone have any data on this to suggest if it still holds true?

There is no publicly reported data for native speakers for charters (DCPS runs 2 lotteries for its immersion schools so their balance is 50-50).

We can sort of get a sense by using the percentage of ELL students as a rough proxy for native speakers (I know it isn't perfect since not every ELL student comes from a Spanish-spekaing household). Here is how LAMB compares to the other dual language Spanish charter schools.

From enrollment audit 17-18 - ELL students/Total students

LAMB
167/462 - 36%

MV
122/578 - 21%

DCB
200/440 - 45%

Stokes (with the French / Spanish it is even a worse comparison... but someone will ask)
25/350 - 7%

Interesting. DCB is higher, but, I think LAMB would head more toward the way of Stokes or maybe MV. DCB only recently became "desirable" and "HRCS". Perhaps the plan is working after all.

My kids are at DCB and there are many students with Spanish speaking parents who are likely not considered ELL (one parent is a native speaker and the other is not).

However, it is true that the preschool and K classes do seem more gentrified ... it's for sure a trade off. But my sense from LAMB was that it's pretty gentrified too. No?

[Anonymous]

LAMB doesn't handle its lottery well. Let's not forget that they published the names of the applicant kids and birthdates on the web just a few years ago, and didn't take them down until parents complained. They're shooting themselves in the foot by not using the common lottery which is far more professionally run. Right now people question whether selections for the LAMB pool are done fairly.