Nancy Floreen's hypocrisy

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet (other than not Ficker) but I don't understand this "party unity" nonsense. I'm a registered Democrat, but I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. The idea of party first is one of the major problems in our country today - haven't we all wondered why none of the Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump? It's because of "party unity" and it's terrible. Life and people don't fit into just 2 categories, and we shouldn't blindly follow someone just because they happen to have a D or an R next to their name.

In fact, as I'm writing this, I'm getting really irked at the Elrich supporters who I've heard making this argument and calling Floreen undemocratic. What in the world is undemocratic about running for office? Like I said, I haven't decided who to vote for (I voted Frick in primary) but this argument is a strike against Elrich for me. He is not entitled to the office. The Democratic process is not being undermined by the inclusion of an independent.

Because if you are a minority, you are getting truly hurt by the Republicans. If you care about minorities and civil rights for all, you’ll vote democrat until we can solidify those rights again for everyone. This is in all offices, not just federal.

It’s not about Elrich specifically.

But Floreen is a Democrat and will enact Democratic policies. The "I" next to her name doesn't change that.

This is county government. County government is primarily concerned with trash pick-up, potholes, permits, and school funding. What are Democratic vs. Republican policies on these issues?

This was a response to a PP claiming that you should vote for Elrich because it was important to show Democratic unity in light of current Republican policies. That argument is even weaker to the extent someone believes county government revolves around issues such as trash collection and other non-partisan (at least in the traditional sense) issues.

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I just cannot believe we have to listen to Robin Ficker squawk and screech for the next 4 months. Ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet (other than not Ficker) but I don't understand this "party unity" nonsense. I'm a registered Democrat, but I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. The idea of party first is one of the major problems in our country today - haven't we all wondered why none of the Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump? It's because of "party unity" and it's terrible. Life and people don't fit into just 2 categories, and we shouldn't blindly follow someone just because they happen to have a D or an R next to their name.

In fact, as I'm writing this, I'm getting really irked at the Elrich supporters who I've heard making this argument and calling Floreen undemocratic. What in the world is undemocratic about running for office? Like I said, I haven't decided who to vote for (I voted Frick in primary) but this argument is a strike against Elrich for me. He is not entitled to the office. The Democratic process is not being undermined by the inclusion of an independent.

Because if you are a minority, you are getting truly hurt by the Republicans. If you care about minorities and civil rights for all, you’ll vote democrat until we can solidify those rights again for everyone. This is in all offices, not just federal.

It’s not about Elrich specifically.

But Floreen is a Democrat and will enact Democratic policies. The "I" next to her name doesn't change that.

This is county government. County government is primarily concerned with trash pick-up, potholes, permits, and school funding. What are Democratic vs. Republican policies on these issues?

Public safety is huge. Right now we have a very progressive system. And a very low crime rate. Don’t need Jeff Sessions nonsense here.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, and even with Floreen in the mix, Ficker will never win.

+1. And that is why people will feel comfortable voting for floreen. There is no real risk of Ficker winning.

Unless, of course, he does. How confident are you in your prediction? I don't like Elrich either, but that's a risk I'm 100% unwilling to take. I'm planning to vote for Elrich. And yes, Floreen is a hypocrite.

Ficker's ceiling is around 25%. No matter how the rest is divided, there is no way someone else doesn't win. And to avoid the very real risk of Elrich, yes I am willing to accept the very tiny risk of Ficker winning.

Unlikely things happen.

What are three specific things that you are so worried that Elrich would do, if he were county executive?

Please explain how you see a pluaisble path to victory for Ficker. That would require a massive number of democrats crossing over and voting for him. There is no way that happens. This is particularly true now that moderate democrats like myself have a viable alternative.

In terms of Elrich, people's concerns about him have been discussed at length, but in very short I believe his policies would badly hurt job growth in the county and could undermine the tax base by encouraging those with the ability to do so to move to VA or DC, depriving the county of the funds needed for an even moderately progressive agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet (other than not Ficker) but I don't understand this "party unity" nonsense. I'm a registered Democrat, but I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. The idea of party first is one of the major problems in our country today - haven't we all wondered why none of the Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump? It's because of "party unity" and it's terrible. Life and people don't fit into just 2 categories, and we shouldn't blindly follow someone just because they happen to have a D or an R next to their name.

In fact, as I'm writing this, I'm getting really irked at the Elrich supporters who I've heard making this argument and calling Floreen undemocratic. What in the world is undemocratic about running for office? Like I said, I haven't decided who to vote for (I voted Frick in primary) but this argument is a strike against Elrich for me. He is not entitled to the office. The Democratic process is not being undermined by the inclusion of an independent.

Because if you are a minority, you are getting truly hurt by the Republicans. If you care about minorities and civil rights for all, you’ll vote democrat until we can solidify those rights again for everyone. This is in all offices, not just federal.

It’s not about Elrich specifically.

But Floreen is a Democrat and will enact Democratic policies. The "I" next to her name doesn't change that.

This is county government. County government is primarily concerned with trash pick-up, potholes, permits, and school funding. What are Democratic vs. Republican policies on these issues?

Public safety is huge. Right now we have a very progressive system. And a very low crime rate. Don’t need Jeff Sessions nonsense here.

But what does Sessions have to do with the Floreen v Elrich discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet (other than not Ficker) but I don't understand this "party unity" nonsense. I'm a registered Democrat, but I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. The idea of party first is one of the major problems in our country today - haven't we all wondered why none of the Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump? It's because of "party unity" and it's terrible. Life and people don't fit into just 2 categories, and we shouldn't blindly follow someone just because they happen to have a D or an R next to their name.

In fact, as I'm writing this, I'm getting really irked at the Elrich supporters who I've heard making this argument and calling Floreen undemocratic. What in the world is undemocratic about running for office? Like I said, I haven't decided who to vote for (I voted Frick in primary) but this argument is a strike against Elrich for me. He is not entitled to the office. The Democratic process is not being undermined by the inclusion of an independent.

Because if you are a minority, you are getting truly hurt by the Republicans. If you care about minorities and civil rights for all, you’ll vote democrat until we can solidify those rights again for everyone. This is in all offices, not just federal.

It’s not about Elrich specifically.

But Floreen is a Democrat and will enact Democratic policies. The "I" next to her name doesn't change that.

This is county government. County government is primarily concerned with trash pick-up, potholes, permits, and school funding. What are Democratic vs. Republican policies on these issues?

Public safety is huge. Right now we have a very progressive system. And a very low crime rate. Don’t need Jeff Sessions nonsense here.

But what does Sessions have to do with the Floreen v Elrich discussion?

Someone asked what partisan issues there were at the local level. This is one.

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Had Elrich won by a sizable margin (not 80 votes), then yes, Floreen running would be considered as divisive. However, 70% of primary voters decided against Elrich and his policies., which in my opinion, are considered extreme. So, it's hard to call for party unity when the winning candidate won by receiving less than 30% of the vote.

As for Empower Montgomery, Rose Krasnow was more their favored candidate, not Blair. https://www.empowermontgomery.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/EM_Executive_Rev.pdf
But I don't get why Empower Montgomery is being based for favoring a candidate when the public unions do the same? I'm fairly pro-union rights, and have no issue with them throwing funds and support behind Elrich. So why is it an issue when an advocacy group does the same for theirs?

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why you are picking on “Democrats” as a group. Most will support Elrich.

Did you all get this upset when Leggett promised to retire and then went for his 3rd term because he was scared of Doug Duncan running again?

Not OP, but I feel the same way, and no, I didn’t get upset when Leggett ran again. But that was back when the county was much more livable.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why you are picking on “Democrats” as a group. Most will support Elrich.

Did you all get this upset when Leggett promised to retire and then went for his 3rd term because he was scared of Doug Duncan running again?

Not OP, but I feel the same way, and no, I didn’t get upset when Leggett ran again. But that was back when the county was much more livable.

In what way?

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet (other than not Ficker) but I don't understand this "party unity" nonsense. I'm a registered Democrat, but I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. The idea of party first is one of the major problems in our country today - haven't we all wondered why none of the Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump? It's because of "party unity" and it's terrible. Life and people don't fit into just 2 categories, and we shouldn't blindly follow someone just because they happen to have a D or an R next to their name.

In fact, as I'm writing this, I'm getting really irked at the Elrich supporters who I've heard making this argument and calling Floreen undemocratic. What in the world is undemocratic about running for office? Like I said, I haven't decided who to vote for (I voted Frick in primary) but this argument is a strike against Elrich for me. He is not entitled to the office. The Democratic process is not being undermined by the inclusion of an independent.

But she’s not an Independent. She’s part of the Democratic Party machine. Her biggest problem is she thinks she knows everything, and blows off constituent feedback. I was shocked when I met her - she is very biased. And she’s running as a personal vendetta.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet (other than not Ficker) but I don't understand this "party unity" nonsense. I'm a registered Democrat, but I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. The idea of party first is one of the major problems in our country today - haven't we all wondered why none of the Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump? It's because of "party unity" and it's terrible. Life and people don't fit into just 2 categories, and we shouldn't blindly follow someone just because they happen to have a D or an R next to their name.

In fact, as I'm writing this, I'm getting really irked at the Elrich supporters who I've heard making this argument and calling Floreen undemocratic. What in the world is undemocratic about running for office? Like I said, I haven't decided who to vote for (I voted Frick in primary) but this argument is a strike against Elrich for me. He is not entitled to the office. The Democratic process is not being undermined by the inclusion of an independent.

Because if you are a minority, you are getting truly hurt by the Republicans. If you care about minorities and civil rights for all, you’ll vote democrat until we can solidify those rights again for everyone. This is in all offices, not just federal.

It’s not about Elrich specifically.

And that’s why she’s a hypocrite. This is her end-run around term limits.

But Floreen is a Democrat and will enact Democratic policies. The "I" next to her name doesn't change that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet (other than not Ficker) but I don't understand this "party unity" nonsense. I'm a registered Democrat, but I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. The idea of party first is one of the major problems in our country today - haven't we all wondered why none of the Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump? It's because of "party unity" and it's terrible. Life and people don't fit into just 2 categories, and we shouldn't blindly follow someone just because they happen to have a D or an R next to their name.

In fact, as I'm writing this, I'm getting really irked at the Elrich supporters who I've heard making this argument and calling Floreen undemocratic. What in the world is undemocratic about running for office? Like I said, I haven't decided who to vote for (I voted Frick in primary) but this argument is a strike against Elrich for me. He is not entitled to the office. The Democratic process is not being undermined by the inclusion of an independent.

Because if you are a minority, you are getting truly hurt by the Republicans. If you care about minorities and civil rights for all, you’ll vote democrat until we can solidify those rights again for everyone. This is in all offices, not just federal.

It’s not about Elrich specifically.

But Floreen is a Democrat and will enact Democratic policies. The "I" next to her name doesn't change that.

This is county government. County government is primarily concerned with trash pick-up, potholes, permits, and school funding. What are Democratic vs. Republican policies on these issues?

You obviously aren’t following MoCo closely enough. It’s about whether we “build it and they will come” or whether we stage development to ensure our roads, schools, sewers, etc work. Build it and be damned is Republican/ Floreen. Ensuring we have appropriate growth and infrastructure is Elrich. He has never taken a cent from developers. Floreen is at their beck and call.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why you are picking on “Democrats” as a group. Most will support Elrich.

Did you all get this upset when Leggett promised to retire and then went for his 3rd term because he was scared of Doug Duncan running again?

Not OP, but I feel the same way, and no, I didn’t get upset when Leggett ran again. But that was back when the county was much more livable.

In what way?

More livable: traffic was not as messed up, schools were better, and there were more trees. My kid could cross Wisconsin Ave, Okd Georgetown, walk into Bethesda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet (other than not Ficker) but I don't understand this "party unity" nonsense. I'm a registered Democrat, but I will vote for the best candidate, regardless of party. The idea of party first is one of the major problems in our country today - haven't we all wondered why none of the Republicans in Congress are standing up to Trump? It's because of "party unity" and it's terrible. Life and people don't fit into just 2 categories, and we shouldn't blindly follow someone just because they happen to have a D or an R next to their name.

In fact, as I'm writing this, I'm getting really irked at the Elrich supporters who I've heard making this argument and calling Floreen undemocratic. What in the world is undemocratic about running for office? Like I said, I haven't decided who to vote for (I voted Frick in primary) but this argument is a strike against Elrich for me. He is not entitled to the office. The Democratic process is not being undermined by the inclusion of an independent.

Because if you are a minority, you are getting truly hurt by the Republicans. If you care about minorities and civil rights for all, you’ll vote democrat until we can solidify those rights again for everyone. This is in all offices, not just federal.

It’s not about Elrich specifically.

But Floreen is a Democrat and will enact Democratic policies. The "I" next to her name doesn't change that.

This is county government. County government is primarily concerned with trash pick-up, potholes, permits, and school funding. What are Democratic vs. Republican policies on these issues?

You obviously aren’t following MoCo closely enough. It’s about whether we “build it and they will come” or whether we stage development to ensure our roads, schools, sewers, etc work. Build it and be damned is Republican/ Floreen. Ensuring we have appropriate growth and infrastructure is Elrich. He has never taken a cent from developers. Floreen is at their beck and call.

Yummy, kool aide, perfect for a summer day. Not so perfect for a county that needs jobs and a viable tax base.

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Please explain how you see a pluaisble path to victory for Ficker. That would require a massive number of democrats crossing over and voting for him. There is no way that happens. This is particularly true now that moderate democrats like myself have a viable alternative.

In terms of Elrich, people's concerns about him have been discussed at length, but in very short I believe his policies would badly hurt job growth in the county and could undermine the tax base by encouraging those with the ability to do so to move to VA or DC, depriving the county of the funds needed for an even moderately progressive agenda.

Three specific things he would do, please. That you don't want him to do, and that Nancy Floreen would not do.