Should DACA "dreamers" qualify for in-state tuition? Arizona court says no

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If their parents pay state taxes, then I'm fine with in state tuition. No taxes, no tuition.

Agree. If the parents or student can show a tax return showing they've paid state taxes, they should qualify for in-state tuition. And yes, undocumented people can and do pay taxes using a TIN number even if they don't have a social security number. The IRS gives no shits whether or not a worker is here legally (enforcing that is not their domain), as long as the worker in question is paying taxes on whatever money they're earning.

So if my VA kid gets a summer job in MD and pays taxes in MD they should be eligible for in-state tuition?

Or should illegals receive preferential treatment over legal residents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If their parents pay state taxes, then I'm fine with in state tuition. No taxes, no tuition.

Agree. If the parents or student can show a tax return showing they've paid state taxes, they should qualify for in-state tuition. And yes, undocumented people can and do pay taxes using a TIN number even if they don't have a social security number. The IRS gives no shits whether or not a worker is here legally (enforcing that is not their domain), as long as the worker in question is paying taxes on whatever money they're earning.

Any idea what percent of illegal immigrants apply for and pay using a TIN number?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. Not without a path to citizenship or permanent residency. Otherwise we've paid to educate them, allowed them to pay to educate themselves, and in the end they're still not legally able to work and live here. That's cruel.

Not cruel. They can take their knowledge and expertise back to their home countries. How many major in science and engineering? Agriculture? Or mostly psych, govt etc? Do most study to become community activists?

Then they should pay the same rate that other foreign students pay.

[Anonymous]

Of course that's what Arizona says. It's sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. Not without a path to citizenship or permanent residency. Otherwise we've paid to educate them, allowed them to pay to educate themselves, and in the end they're still not legally able to work and live here. That's cruel.

Not cruel. They can take their knowledge and expertise back to their home countries. How many major in science and engineering? Agriculture? Or mostly psych, govt etc? Do most study to become community activists?

Then they should pay the same rate that other foreign students pay.

Let's not have another debate about this. This was discussed at length here earlier in the year. The issues haven't changed. Look it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If their parents pay state taxes, then I'm fine with in state tuition. No taxes, no tuition.

Agree. If the parents or student can show a tax return showing they've paid state taxes, they should qualify for in-state tuition. And yes, undocumented people can and do pay taxes using a TIN number even if they don't have a social security number. The IRS gives no shits whether or not a worker is here legally (enforcing that is not their domain), as long as the worker in question is paying taxes on whatever money they're earning.

So if my VA kid gets a summer job in MD and pays taxes in MD they should be eligible for in-state tuition?

Or should illegals receive preferential treatment over legal residents?

It usually takes a year to establish residency. If your Virginia kid moves to Maryland for a year, gets a job there, establishes residency, and files state taxes in Maryland, then she would qualify for in-state tuition. I suspect you know how this works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. Not without a path to citizenship or permanent residency. Otherwise we've paid to educate them, allowed them to pay to educate themselves, and in the end they're still not legally able to work and live here. That's cruel.

Not cruel. They can take their knowledge and expertise back to their home countries. How many major in science and engineering? Agriculture? Or mostly psych, govt etc? Do most study to become community activists?

Then they should pay the same rate that other foreign students pay.

Let's not have another debate about this. This was discussed at length here earlier in the year. The issues haven't changed. Look it up.

Right, the issues haven't changed. They still don't have a path to citizenship or permanent residency. Treating them like they'll be able to go to college and then legally get a job in the US is cruel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If their parents pay state taxes, then I'm fine with in state tuition. No taxes, no tuition.

Agree. If the parents or student can show a tax return showing they've paid state taxes, they should qualify for in-state tuition. And yes, undocumented people can and do pay taxes using a TIN number even if they don't have a social security number. The IRS gives no shits whether or not a worker is here legally (enforcing that is not their domain), as long as the worker in question is paying taxes on whatever money they're earning.

Any idea what percent of illegal immigrants apply for and pay using a TIN number?

Both questions are nearly impossible to answer, in part because use of the TIN/ EIN is not just limited to illegal immigrants, and like I said, the IRS doesn't care whether someone is documented or not as long as they're paying the taxes they're supposed to (IRS website link to who uses this and how to get one here: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/taxpayer-identification-numbers-tin).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course that's what Arizona says. It's sad.

I live in AZ. Not sad for me. Fair. They can take it up with their parents and their parent's decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If their parents pay state taxes, then I'm fine with in state tuition. No taxes, no tuition.

Agree. If the parents or student can show a tax return showing they've paid state taxes, they should qualify for in-state tuition. And yes, undocumented people can and do pay taxes using a TIN number even if they don't have a social security number. The IRS gives no shits whether or not a worker is here legally (enforcing that is not their domain), as long as the worker in question is paying taxes on whatever money they're earning.

So if my VA kid gets a summer job in MD and pays taxes in MD they should be eligible for in-state tuition?

Or should illegals receive preferential treatment over legal residents?

It usually takes a year to establish residency. If your Virginia kid moves to Maryland for a year, gets a job there, establishes residency, and files state taxes in Maryland, then she would qualify for in-state tuition. I suspect you know how this works.

Mixing state residency requirements with Country residence requirements. Apples to Oranges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If their parents pay state taxes, then I'm fine with in state tuition. No taxes, no tuition.

Agree. If the parents or student can show a tax return showing they've paid state taxes, they should qualify for in-state tuition. And yes, undocumented people can and do pay taxes using a TIN number even if they don't have a social security number. The IRS gives no shits whether or not a worker is here legally (enforcing that is not their domain), as long as the worker in question is paying taxes on whatever money they're earning.

So if my VA kid gets a summer job in MD and pays taxes in MD they should be eligible for in-state tuition?

Or should illegals receive preferential treatment over legal residents?

It usually takes a year to establish residency. If your Virginia kid moves to Maryland for a year, gets a job there, establishes residency, and files state taxes in Maryland, then she would qualify for in-state tuition. I suspect you know how this works.

Mixing state residency requirements with Country residence requirements. Apples to Oranges.

No, it's not. A green card holder or even a person with certain visas who is a Virginia resident will receive in-state tuition rates as long as that person has lived in the state for a year and paid state taxes in VA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm on the fence. On one hand if they're here to stay, you want them educated. On the other, perks like this certainly act as a magnet for more to come in illegally via border crossing or travel visa. But even with in-state tuition, U. of Arizona is $23,000 per year for tuition & room. Where does an undocumented student come up with that kind of cash?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/arizona-court-overturns-state-tuition-dreamers-daca-n774746

How can an illegal be legally "in-state" for any state?

Only liberals could even possibly understand this looney logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm on the fence. On one hand if they're here to stay, you want them educated. On the other, perks like this certainly act as a magnet for more to come in illegally via border crossing or travel visa. But even with in-state tuition, U. of Arizona is $23,000 per year for tuition & room. Where does an undocumented student come up with that kind of cash?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/arizona-court-overturns-state-tuition-dreamers-daca-n774746

How can an illegal be legally "in-state" for any state?

Only liberals could even possibly understand this looney logic.

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[Anonymous]

Here's something even bleeding heart liberals cannot deny...

How Mexico Handles Illegal Immigrants

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/28/861736/-

On another note, isn't it funny how progressives love to import poverty from the south, but when they are tired of "losing" and want to move out of the US, they all want to flee to Canada, not Mexico or Central/South America? Why is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's nice, dear.

In relevant news: President Trump has, for now, left intact the DACA program - meaning illegal aliens brought here as innocent children by their parents will not be an enforcement priority (provided they do not commit crimes).

If the number of illegal southern-border-crossings continue to plummet as it has since Trump's election, the DACA program might soon be unecessary.

The number of illegal southern border crossings have been in decline for some time ..

There's probably a decline of illegal immigrants from Mexico proper, but illegal immigrants from Central America still cross at the southern border.