HGC parent decisions due this wee....

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't think that means the home school would reevaluate math placement if you turn down the HGC. On the other hand, a girl from our home school turned down the HGC and her 4th grade teacher was given the heads up to make sure she was accommodated.


I'm curious what you mean by this? Compacted math is in all schools - so that isn't some sort of special accommodation or GT service? I don't know of any special GT service provided by the county at home schools - but would love to hear of examples if they are out there. (talking 4th grade - current scenario - not in old world examples when kids could accellerate)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think that means the home school would reevaluate math placement if you turn down the HGC. On the other hand, a girl from our home school turned down the HGC and her 4th grade teacher was given the heads up to make sure she was accommodated.


I'm curious what you mean by this? Compacted math is in all schools - so that isn't some sort of special accommodation or GT service? I don't know of any special GT service provided by the county at home schools - but would love to hear of examples if they are out there. (talking 4th grade - current scenario - not in old world examples when kids could accellerate)


How about reading/math/spelling groups by level of student?
Anonymous
The home school offers pull outs for advanced students. When she decided to stay the school told the teacher to accommodate her (this is for subjects other than math, you are right that compacted math is offered to non HGC students).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The home school offers pull outs for advanced students. When she decided to stay the school told the teacher to accommodate her (this is for subjects other than math, you are right that compacted math is offered to non HGC students).


So, you are saying that this child was not included in "pull out" groups before - but after being accepted to the HGC, the parents lobbied for her to be included in those pull outs? So not something "special GT" for her specifically - but evidence so she can be in "top group" at home school?

Curious whether those pull outs are on par to being at HGC - maybe not?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The home school offers pull outs for advanced students. When she decided to stay the school told the teacher to accommodate her (this is for subjects other than math, you are right that compacted math is offered to non HGC students).


So, you are saying that this child was not included in "pull out" groups before - but after being accepted to the HGC, the parents lobbied for her to be included in those pull outs? So not something "special GT" for her specifically - but evidence so she can be in "top group" at home school?

Curious whether those pull outs are on par to being at HGC - maybe not?


If pull outs are on par with HGC, then why send to HGC?
Maybe not enough kids for pull outs in smaller schools?
Anonymous
I suspect the pull outs are NOT on par with HGC.

But that doesn't mean that the pullouts are "good enough" to keep a family from moving a child to the HGC....avoding a potential longer commute or complications of siblings in different schools.

But purely using HGC as an arm twist to get a kid into a top group seems strange. If the current school doesn't recognize the child's talents and the child was accepted to HGC - maybe the child is better off moving.
Anonymous
Still no replies to original question - does this mean none of you are saying NO for your child?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Still no replies to original question - does this mean none of you are saying NO for your child?


Are you curious or is your child waitlisted?
Anonymous
Both - I am not holding onto any hope that DC will get off WL - but generally find this decision to be interesting so would be curious even if not on the WL. (in fact, I'd go as far as saying I consider DC's WL placement as equivilent to rejection...).

So, mostly curious.

Does that matter in whether families would reply to this? No ill intent meant from my side...
Anonymous
We were on the fence but are accepting. I know of at least one no for our center (fox chapel) due to a move.
Anonymous
I'm PP who posted about HGC decision helping to advocate for more services at home school. This was our situation 2 years ago.

Child was in a middle spelling/language arts group in grade 3 even though child was capable of doing way more. He's a child who will meet the expectations given but won't ask for more. Was accepted into HGC. That gave us data to talk with school about giving him more challenge.

In 4th, he was particularly placed with the high risers who stayed in the school, was given much more challenging work and rose to the challenge. Ended up getting into and going to the middle magnet.

When he visited HGC, he hated the school. So, we chose to turn it down rather than force it.
Anonymous
Regarding C2.0
AEI which is in charge of the HGC curriculum has updated the curriculum post C2.0. They have also updated the regular and advanced curriculum offerings at home elementary schools. However, these are not the same. In other words, the HGC curriculum is still different from the curriculum at a MCPS home ES. The HGC curriculum remains more advanced, moves more quickly and there are more sophisticated assignments. This is the case for language arts, social studies and science.

Math has never been part of the core HGC program even before C2.0. Children at regular ESs and at HGCs have always had the same opportunities to accelerate in Math. These opportunities are now more limited post C2.0.
MCPS had now eliminated the pathway to Algebra in Grade 6 for all students.
Math could still be a better experience at a HGC because of the strong peer group. When my child was in fifth grade at a HGC (pre C2.0), they had one class for IM and most of the remaining students were in Math B (Grade 7 Math). In other words, most of the children at a HGC are very good at Math. I think it is highly likely that many of the children in a HGC program will qualify for compacted Math. If your child is very good at Math, she or he will have a much larger peer group than she would have had in her home ES. The teachers are also trained to work with students who are able to move quickly and relish challenge. These teachers will "get" your kid and do whatever they can to keep them motivated. Your child will be surrounded by other children who love Math.

Finally, when we were making the decision a couple of years ago, we were very focused on the curriculum and on the logistics. The curriculum was great, ds enjoyed the depth and pacing of all the classes. The logistics were fine- not easy but fine. The big surprise for us was how much he benefitted from having a large peer group. These kids are all the same but there is understanding and acceptance. There were kids who loved science, history, art, gymnastics, Minecraft and everyone was accepted. Your child won't have to hide his interests or intellect in order to fit in, they will learn that they have to work hard to do good work, they will discover there are plenty of kids who are smarter than them and they will enjoy school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We were on the fence but are accepting. I know of at least one no for our center (fox chapel) due to a move.


Also on the fence but accepting Barnsley (for now).
Anonymous
We found pre-2.0 that the math at the HGC was taught very differently then the same class outside the center. My child feels that 6th grade IM is an easier class than Math 7 at a center.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm PP who posted about HGC decision helping to advocate for more services at home school. This was our situation 2 years ago.

Child was in a middle spelling/language arts group in grade 3 even though child was capable of doing way more. He's a child who will meet the expectations given but won't ask for more. Was accepted into HGC. That gave us data to talk with school about giving him more challenge.

In 4th, he was particularly placed with the high risers who stayed in the school, was given much more challenging work and rose to the challenge. Ended up getting into and going to the middle magnet.

When he visited HGC, he hated the school. So, we chose to turn it down rather than force it.


Thanks for sharing these detail (even though you didn't have to) - I was the one who was curioius. This was all helpful.

What did your son hate about the HGC visit? And did you feel the same way?
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