Federal Employee- Possible Timesheet Fraud

[Anonymous]

Myob


Somebody reported an employee to me.

They had no clue test we had midnight work and the person was working 11p-3a.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are they paid by the hour? If they are salaried who cares. If they are not doing their job, they should be managed out, whether they spend 5 hours a week in the office or 100.

+1

The quality of the work product matters -- not just the 8-9 hrs a day in the office. Those days are behind us, thankfully.

Not in my fed office. We have to be able to prove, through the time logs, that we were in the office for 80 hours in a pay period. It's archaic, yes, but those who lie about it are potentially subjecting to disciplinary action not only themselves but also the timekeeper and supervisor who have to vouch for and sign the payroll reports. But still, I say OP should MYOB and let the correct person deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are they paid by the hour? If they are salaried who cares. If they are not doing their job, they should be managed out, whether they spend 5 hours a week in the office or 100.

+1

The quality of the work product matters -- not just the 8-9 hrs a day in the office. Those days are behind us, thankfully.

Not in my fed office. We have to be able to prove, through the time logs, that we were in the office for 80 hours in a pay period. It's archaic, yes, but those who lie about it are potentially subjecting to disciplinary action not only themselves but also the timekeeper and supervisor who have to vouch for and sign the payroll reports. But still, I say OP should MYOB and let the correct person deal with it.

How is the correct person supposed to deal with it if they don't know? If you look the other way, you are complicit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are they paid by the hour? If they are salaried who cares. If they are not doing their job, they should be managed out, whether they spend 5 hours a week in the office or 100.

+1

The quality of the work product matters -- not just the 8-9 hrs a day in the office. Those days are behind us, thankfully.

Not in my fed office. We have to be able to prove, through the time logs, that we were in the office for 80 hours in a pay period. It's archaic, yes, but those who lie about it are potentially subjecting to disciplinary action not only themselves but also the timekeeper and supervisor who have to vouch for and sign the payroll reports. But still, I say OP should MYOB and let the correct person deal with it.

How is the correct person supposed to deal with it if they don't know? If you look the other way, you are complicit.

Who says they don't know? You cannot presume to know the arrangement that every employee has with their supervisor. I was speaking in general terms in my post above; I've seen employees who were allowed to work all kinds of special schedules due to circumstance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are they paid by the hour? If they are salaried who cares. If they are not doing their job, they should be managed out, whether they spend 5 hours a week in the office or 100.

+1

The quality of the work product matters -- not just the 8-9 hrs a day in the office. Those days are behind us, thankfully.

Not in my fed office. We have to be able to prove, through the time logs, that we were in the office for 80 hours in a pay period. It's archaic, yes, but those who lie about it are potentially subjecting to disciplinary action not only themselves but also the timekeeper and supervisor who have to vouch for and sign the payroll reports. But still, I say OP should MYOB and let the correct person deal with it.

How is the correct person supposed to deal with it if they don't know? If you look the other way, you are complicit.

Who says they don't know? You cannot presume to know the arrangement that every employee has with their supervisor. I was speaking in general terms in my post above; I've seen employees who were allowed to work all kinds of special schedules due to circumstance.

Yes, but not clocking out is not a special schedule -- it's cheating.

[Anonymous]

Yea, we have CHRIS TA. You have to enter your hours and validate that you actually worked those hours. That being said, I have not heard of anyone being fired for not entering correct time, but people are called on it pretty frequently. "I noticed that you did not come in until noon. Make sure you put a leave request in." Stuff like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I'm shocked to know that federal employees don't consider cheating on their time cards to be stealing -- because as a tax payer I certainly do!!!! You all who are claiming OP should MYOB are part of the problem. I hate that people say to look the other way when someone cheats or steals. This is not an MYOB situation -- it's stealing our money, pure and simple.

OP, I would make an anonymous complaint. This guy is a thief. FYI -- my former bosses did this routinely. I know because I was in charge of time sheets. One would come in half an hour before everyone else, leave earlier than everyone else, take a half day every friday and every friday off as "flex pay." Scam. Other one would come in at 4:45 in the afternoon and claim an entire day. It's sickening. Hard to respect people like this. Please report them, OP -- we as taxpayers need to get rid of these cheats.

Do you understand how work works? I couldn't care less if some bureaucrat is sitting behind their desk for 8 hours staring out of a window, or for 2 hours. The taxpayer is ripped off to the extent to which they are not doing their job, not based on whether or not they are in a building at a particular time. What matters is whether the service is being performed as specified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I'm shocked to know that federal employees don't consider cheating on their time cards to be stealing -- because as a tax payer I certainly do!!!! You all who are claiming OP should MYOB are part of the problem. I hate that people say to look the other way when someone cheats or steals. This is not an MYOB situation -- it's stealing our money, pure and simple.

OP, I would make an anonymous complaint. This guy is a thief. FYI -- my former bosses did this routinely. I know because I was in charge of time sheets. One would come in half an hour before everyone else, leave earlier than everyone else, take a half day every friday and every friday off as "flex pay." Scam. Other one would come in at 4:45 in the afternoon and claim an entire day. It's sickening. Hard to respect people like this. Please report them, OP -- we as taxpayers need to get rid of these cheats.

Do you understand how work works? I couldn't care less if some bureaucrat is sitting behind their desk for 8 hours staring out of a window, or for 2 hours. The taxpayer is ripped off to the extent to which they are not doing their job, not based on whether or not they are in a building at a particular time. What matters is whether the service is being performed as specified.

So if you're done after two hours it's okay to go home? No, it's not. My bosses were ripping off the system -- and OF COURSE they were all over my hours, the one who took the "flex schedule" in particular. What a hypocrite. He was completely aware of the hours that were supposed to be worked in a two week period; it was much on his mind, because he was a cheater himself. Like I said, hard to respect people like that. I would certainly not protect them willingly. I never turned either of them in but I wish I had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I'm shocked to know that federal employees don't consider cheating on their time cards to be stealing -- because as a tax payer I certainly do!!!! You all who are claiming OP should MYOB are part of the problem. I hate that people say to look the other way when someone cheats or steals. This is not an MYOB situation -- it's stealing our money, pure and simple.

OP, I would make an anonymous complaint. This guy is a thief. FYI -- my former bosses did this routinely. I know because I was in charge of time sheets. One would come in half an hour before everyone else, leave earlier than everyone else, take a half day every friday and every friday off as "flex pay." Scam. Other one would come in at 4:45 in the afternoon and claim an entire day. It's sickening. Hard to respect people like this. Please report them, OP -- we as taxpayers need to get rid of these cheats.

Do you understand how work works? I couldn't care less if some bureaucrat is sitting behind their desk for 8 hours staring out of a window, or for 2 hours. The taxpayer is ripped off to the extent to which they are not doing their job, not based on whether or not they are in a building at a particular time. What matters is whether the service is being performed as specified.

So if you're done after two hours it's okay to go home? No, it's not. My bosses were ripping off the system -- and OF COURSE they were all over my hours, the one who took the "flex schedule" in particular. What a hypocrite. He was completely aware of the hours that were supposed to be worked in a two week period; it was much on his mind, because he was a cheater himself. Like I said, hard to respect people like that. I would certainly not protect them willingly. I never turned either of them in but I wish I had.

If you are done after two hours then there is a problem with the amount of work you are being assigned. If someone does their work in two hours and then sits there doing nothing for 6 hours, then how is that any better than doing their work in two hours and then leaving? the net result is identical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are they paid by the hour? If they are salaried who cares. If they are not doing their job, they should be managed out, whether they spend 5 hours a week in the office or 100.

+1

The quality of the work product matters -- not just the 8-9 hrs a day in the office. Those days are behind us, thankfully.

Not in my fed office. We have to be able to prove, through the time logs, that we were in the office for 80 hours in a pay period. It's archaic, yes, but those who lie about it are potentially subjecting to disciplinary action not only themselves but also the timekeeper and supervisor who have to vouch for and sign the payroll reports. But still, I say OP should MYOB and let the correct person deal with it.

How is the correct person supposed to deal with it if they don't know? If you look the other way, you are complicit.

Who says they don't know? You cannot presume to know the arrangement that every employee has with their supervisor. I was speaking in general terms in my post above; I've seen employees who were allowed to work all kinds of special schedules due to circumstance.

Yes, but not clocking out is not a special schedule -- it's cheating.

He could have been in training or doing something off site that necessitated logging in that way - all I'm saying is that there could be an explanation for it. I am not necessarily defending this person; obviously, nothing bothers me more as a timekeeper than when someone is shady. OP's situation wouldn't really fly in my office because I receive notice of everyone's schedule and our logs are in chronological order so no one can easily log out of order.

[Anonymous]

OP - are you 100% positive he is commiting fraud? I work for the private sector and we have plenty of people who come and go as they please, waste company time etc. and it is very irritating when the bosses don't notice and everyone else is workign their butts off. I am torn betwen MYOB and blowing the whistle. But, unless I was 100% confident this was happening, i would probably "monitor" or let it go. It sounds like this is only happening this week, when the bosses are away, so I would cut some slack. But if it is all the time and no one has noticed it and you are positive, I would say somehting to the person so they know it is being noticed but not throw him under the bus. there might be a valid reason you aren't aware of.

I disagree with the others telling you to MYOB. It's not fair to anyone.

[Anonymous]

OP, you have no idea what goes on in this worker's life or work schedule. Does s/he have flextime, flexplace or comp hours? Does s/he have a specially worked out schedule (as my DH does, BTW) for staggered pickups for SN kids, in which hours missed are made up on weekends and by telecommuting?

The wonder of it all is that you have the time to obsess on another employee, OP! You have no idea who has worked out a special schedule. Here's another thought: often those workers work harder than you do, OP.

Trust me: listen to PPs who told you to MYOB! For two reasons:

1) there may be extenuating circumstances;
2) you may look like a total A*$Ho!! if you complain to a boss or his supervisor who approved such an arrangement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I'm shocked to know that federal employees don't consider cheating on their time cards to be stealing -- because as a tax payer I certainly do!!!! You all who are claiming OP should MYOB are part of the problem. I hate that people say to look the other way when someone cheats or steals. This is not an MYOB situation -- it's stealing our money, pure and simple.

OP, I would make an anonymous complaint. This guy is a thief. FYI -- my former bosses did this routinely. I know because I was in charge of time sheets. One would come in half an hour before everyone else, leave earlier than everyone else, take a half day every friday and every friday off as "flex pay." Scam. Other one would come in at 4:45 in the afternoon and claim an entire day. It's sickening. Hard to respect people like this. Please report them, OP -- we as taxpayers need to get rid of these cheats.

Do you understand how work works? I couldn't care less if some bureaucrat is sitting behind their desk for 8 hours staring out of a window, or for 2 hours. The taxpayer is ripped off to the extent to which they are not doing their job, not based on whether or not they are in a building at a particular time. What matters is whether the service is being performed as specified.

So if you're done after two hours it's okay to go home? No, it's not. My bosses were ripping off the system -- and OF COURSE they were all over my hours, the one who took the "flex schedule" in particular. What a hypocrite. He was completely aware of the hours that were supposed to be worked in a two week period; it was much on his mind, because he was a cheater himself. Like I said, hard to respect people like that. I would certainly not protect them willingly. I never turned either of them in but I wish I had.

If you are done after two hours then there is a problem with the amount of work you are being assigned. If someone does their work in two hours and then sits there doing nothing for 6 hours, then how is that any better than doing their work in two hours and then leaving? the net result is identical.

No, if you're done after two hours you ask for more work. Obviously.

[Anonymous]

Lots if defensive Feds on today! Probably "telecommuting" from the couch or shopping.

[Anonymous]

technical answer ... if you have knowledge of "waste, fraud, or abuse" you are legally obligated to report it to the Inspector General.

real world answer... so far you "suspect", doesn't sound like have proof of anything... concern? maybe, but as a first step you may want to discreetly bring it up with your supervisor (who I assume is the other person's too).

This is a line between doing what you should do, and being a busybody/dick... hard to tell just where on that continuum we are right now.