Chances for AAP placement with very high NNAT, OK CogAT?

[Anonymous]

If you do some reading on line, you will see that the NNAT is known for artificially high and artificially low scores. I don't know how that play out for AAP admissions, just something I saw in my research.

I suspect a lot of parents will take their kids for the WISC this year so I'd book now if you're going to GMU. The WISC is generally considered the most reliable. The rest are more like rough screening tools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None are more important than others...they are not averaged or weighted. The composite score represents percentile of those three scores relative to other test takers in county. my dd scored high on verbal and lower on the other two, while I've seen other that scored highest on quant and lower on others yet theVQN was the same. Eg 98 verbal, 88 quant. 91 non verbal... 97 VQN.

DD scored high on quant, and not as high as verbal and non verbal, and the VQN is high.
I don't quite understand how the VQN is determined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We were basically told by the 2nd grade teacher at our first parent-teacher meeting in November that our daughter would be a "perfect" fit for level 3 services and not level 4 at the Center. She even suggested that we appeal if we do not like the outcome. Our daughter is in-pool right now from the NNAT and CogAT, but I am expecting a low GBRS from the teacher, even though she gets 4s on all her exams. I have a feeling that we will have to pay $$$ for the WISC.

Are you serious? Even both NNAT and CogAT are above cutoff, all 4s in exams, you would still go for WISC? What is your expected GBRS score?

[Anonymous]

It seems to me that this year the CogAT scores are much lower than in the years before, which is understandable because it's only for FCPS students and not age-calibrated. It would be interesting to see how this plays out with the screening committee. I am sure that a 85% FCPS this year would translate to at least a 90% nationwide (even higher possibly), so I am not sure how a committee used to seeing very high percentiles will react when the percentiles are getting lower, an impact that will be felt mostly by the strongest students (who will look less strong with a 90% rather than a 97% on a national level) and the youngest ones (because the scores are not adjusted for age).

[Anonymous]

85%tile on the this years cogat test would be 94% tile on the old system.

[Anonymous]

PP where do u get the info from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None are more important than others...they are not averaged or weighted. The composite score represents percentile of those three scores relative to other test takers in county. my dd scored high on verbal and lower on the other two, while I've seen other that scored highest on quant and lower on others yet theVQN was the same. Eg 98 verbal, 88 quant. 91 non verbal... 97 VQN.

DD scored high on quant, and not as high as verbal and non verbal, and the VQN is high.
I don't quite understand how the VQN is determined.

For example above, if you sum the scores, that total is as high or betterr than 97% of the children who were tested. As I mentioned I have seen almost identical VQN with the verbal and quant. scores reversed, which leads me to believe that they at not weighted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were basically told by the 2nd grade teacher at our first parent-teacher meeting in November that our daughter would be a "perfect" fit for level 3 services and not level 4 at the Center. She even suggested that we appeal if we do not like the outcome. Our daughter is in-pool right now from the NNAT and CogAT, but I am expecting a low GBRS from the teacher, even though she gets 4s on all her exams. I have a feeling that we will have to pay $$$ for the WISC.

Are you serious? Even both NNAT and CogAT are above cutoff, all 4s in exams, you would still go for WISC? What is your expected GBRS score?

I don't know - we were just told that she is not an "outside the box" thinker, does not make an extra effort to go beyond her given assignments and she likes to talk to her friends. I am a bit discouraged because the teacher sounded so negative.

[Anonymous]

To 15:04, I should have been clearer that it was an estimate but I do think its relatively reliable. Until more data is provided, I think its a pretty decent estimate. Here is a copy/paste from a different thread of the basis for my estimate.
Again the average SAT score in the US is 1010 and the average IQ for those kids would be around 110 based on the chart referenced above.
The average SAT scores for all of fairfax county are 1120. Using the same chart, that makes the average IQ 118.54 (16SD) for fairfax county kids.
Assuming FCPS kids at the elementary level have that same margin against all of the US, then the average IQ for FCPS is 8.54 higher than all the US. I think this is a reasonable assumption that there would be a similar margin for the cogat test in elementary that there is for the SAT at the high school level.
Now looking back at the chart, find 95 percentile and the 15SD is 124.66 and 16SD is 126.31. Since it was determined FCPS is 8.54 points higher than the US average, just add 8.54 to 124.66 and 126.31. That puts the 95% threshold at somewhere between 133 and just under 135 if this years kids were on the old system.
If you want to know what your kids score would have been on the old system, just use the chart to find the percentile and add 8.54 to whatever the IQ score shows.

[Anonymous]

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx
left out the chart again...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD got in to AAP last year with one score of 140 and GBR of 7, no work samples, and no teacher support; so with high score GBRs don't seem to matter as much.

Which AAP school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were basically told by the 2nd grade teacher at our first parent-teacher meeting in November that our daughter would be a "perfect" fit for level 3 services and not level 4 at the Center. She even suggested that we appeal if we do not like the outcome. Our daughter is in-pool right now from the NNAT and CogAT, but I am expecting a low GBRS from the teacher, even though she gets 4s on all her exams. I have a feeling that we will have to pay $$$ for the WISC.

Are you serious? Even both NNAT and CogAT are above cutoff, all 4s in exams, you would still go for WISC? What is your expected GBRS score?

I don't know - we were just told that she is not an "outside the box" thinker, does not make an extra effort to go beyond her given assignments and she likes to talk to her friends. I am a bit discouraged because the teacher sounded so negative.

It sounds too much to me if the kid has passed cut off in both tests and got all 4s (i.e. strong academic), and you would still go for a WISC.... I don't think it is necessary at all.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were basically told by the 2nd grade teacher at our first parent-teacher meeting in November that our daughter would be a "perfect" fit for level 3 services and not level 4 at the Center. She even suggested that we appeal if we do not like the outcome. Our daughter is in-pool right now from the NNAT and CogAT, but I am expecting a low GBRS from the teacher, even though she gets 4s on all her exams. I have a feeling that we will have to pay $$$ for the WISC.

Are you serious? Even both NNAT and CogAT are above cutoff, all 4s in exams, you would still go for WISC? What is your expected GBRS score?

I don't know - we were just told that she is not an "outside the box" thinker, does not make an extra effort to go beyond her given assignments and she likes to talk to her friends. I am a bit discouraged because the teacher sounded so negative.

It sounds too much to me if the kid has passed cut off in both tests and got all 4s (i.e. strong academic), and you would still go for a WISC.... I don't think it is necessary at all.....

Thanks, I really don't know how this works. I thought that maybe we would have to with a low GBRS from her teacher. She gets pulled out right now with the AAP teacher and I'd like to know what the AAP teacher thinks of her. I guess we will have to wait and see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:85%tile on the this years cogat test would be 94% tile on the old system.

Any guesses on how GMU admininistered cogAT is compared to the Fairfax version? I guess the Committee will look for higher scores on the GMU nationally normed test than the Fairfax test? Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:85%tile on the this years cogat test would be 94% tile on the old system.

Any guesses on how GMU admininistered cogAT is compared to the Fairfax version? I guess the Committee will look for higher scores on the GMU nationally normed test than the Fairfax test? Thanks

Excellent question! I am curious too...