Let's kill the "pro-life" classification

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually the issue isn't about choice it is about abortion. So let's stick to pro-abortion or anti-abortion.

I am good with that.

agree.

Wait, what?

China is pro-abortion. I am anti-abortion, but abhor the attempt to force someone else to adhere to my beliefs when her body and her life are the ones that are affected. That makes me pro-choice, not pro-abortion.

If we want to argue semantics, "pro-life" should be the position that women must have sex with someone every time they ovulate; otherwise potential lives are lost. Any terminology can be butchered by unfriendly interpretation. Debate by sound-bite is anti-debate!

OP. Agree that debate by sound-bite is anti-debate, but the reality is that is that is we're Twitter Nation now. Abortion is acceptable in China as a form of birth control, but that's as a result of the Communist Party implementing the one-child policy. There's no stigma in China about abortion, and there is in the U.S.

Isn't it really pro- or anti- abortion RIGHTS, but the sound bite chops off the RIGHTS.

[Anonymous]

Pro-choice is too loaded because a lot of people who are pro-abortion-choice are not pro-other-individual-rights-choice.

George Orwell already said everything about political rhetoric that can be said. Let one side have pro-choice and one side have pro-life. We all know what they really mean.

[Anonymous]

Are any of you pro-choice people also pro second amendment? Can I make the choice to own a firearm? Just wondering.

[TheManWithAUsername]

Anonymous wrote:Are any of you pro-choice people also pro second amendment? Can I make the choice to own a firearm? Just wondering.

[Edit: Mistaken identity, and uncalled for regardless.]

[Anonymous]

TheManWithAUsername wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are any of you pro-choice people also pro second amendment? Can I make the choice to own a firearm? Just wondering.

Will you use it to suicide?

Still not getting the hang of putting all your thoughts in one post, eh?

This is 21:18 here. I was surprised that 21:25 took up part of my point so quickly but we are separate people.

[Anonymous]

Abortion used as birth control is evil. An accident or rape is another regrettable but excusable.

[Anonymous]

Look, the problem with pro-life to the OP is that she doesn't think the entity involved is either a life or one equal to the life of the mother. Fine. So saying you are pro-life sidesteps the central question of when life begins and how to balance two lives, if there are two lives.

The problem with pro-choice is that it also sidesteps the question. No one is pro-choice about murder ("it's your choice if you want to murder your neighbor or not"). That's not the question. The question is whether the fetus is a life that merits protection and, if so, how to balance that against the needs of the mother.

That question is really hard. I don't have an answer.

[TheManWithAUsername]

Anonymous wrote:Abortion used as birth control is evil. An accident or rape is another regrettable but excusable.

This doesn't make any sense to me. If it's a human - a baby, essentially - then how is its murder justified based on the circumstances of its origin? You wouldn't support infanticide in the case of rape, etc., would you?

Is it kind of a subhuman, so that it's wrong to kill it unless there's a compelling reason? I'm not kidding - I'm sincerely interested in the philosophy. I've always found the pro-life purists more compelling because they seem more consistent.

Wait - did you just put "accident" in that special category, as in unintentional pregnancy? How is that not using it as birth control?

[Anonymous]

21:18/21:51 here. Manwithausername could you tone it down a bit? Your disrespect for people you disagree with makes people want to drop the conversation. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that isn't your aim.

[Anonymous]

It is murder. But we humans are weak and flawed. Remember slavery? Some day when abortion can be avoided by technology, people will think the same about abortion paractice as they do about slavery today. The abuse of a helpless innocent is never a proud moment for us humans.

[TheManWithAUsername]

Anonymous wrote:21:18/21:51 here. Manwithausername could you tone it down a bit? Your disrespect for people you disagree with makes people want to drop the conversation. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that isn't your aim.

I appreciate your bringing that to me civilly.

I'm really not being sarcastic - I don't get what seems to me to be an inconsistency here.

BTW, I'm not rabidly pro-choice. Also, I've always found the militant - literally - antiabortionists admirable in a sense.

[TheManWithAUsername]

Anonymous wrote:It is murder. But we humans are weak and flawed. Remember slavery? Some day when abortion can be avoided by technology, people will think the same about abortion paractice as they do about slavery today. The abuse of a helpless innocent is never a proud moment for us humans.

If it's murder, then it should only be justified when infanticide would be justified, i.e., never. I don't think there's any "but" that can reasonably follow infanticide.

[Anonymous]

TheManWithAUsername wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is murder. But we humans are weak and flawed. Remember slavery? Some day when abortion can be avoided by technology, people will think the same about abortion paractice as they do about slavery today. The abuse of a helpless innocent is never a proud moment for us humans.

If it's murder, then it should only be justified when infanticide would be justified, i.e., never. I don't think there's any "but" that can reasonably follow infanticide.

As long as the body is in the womb you can kill it. If you fing a women with a really big cooch and shove the infants head inside you can kill it. Similarly, if hitler just would have built the gas chambers to resemble a giant cooch he would have been golden.

[TheManWithAUsername]

Anonymous wrote:

TheManWithAUsername wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is murder. But we humans are weak and flawed. Remember slavery? Some day when abortion can be avoided by technology, people will think the same about abortion paractice as they do about slavery today. The abuse of a helpless innocent is never a proud moment for us humans.

If it's murder, then it should only be justified when infanticide would be justified, i.e., never. I don't think there's any "but" that can reasonably follow infanticide.

As long as the body is in the womb you can kill it. If you fing a women with a really big cooch and shove the infants head inside you can kill it. Similarly, if hitler just would have built the gas chambers to resemble a giant cooch he would have been golden.

I've laughed out loud at some pretty horrible things, but that may have been the worst.

[Anonymous]

the womans cooch is where we all go to die.