For which elementary schools is Navy the AAP center

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a map that shows the AAP center feeder patterns. There’s a lot of variability in how many other schools a center pulls students in from.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2025-2026AAPElementarySchools.pdf

Can someone explain why Waples Mill goes to Hunters Woods while Crossfield, which is much closer to Hunters Woods, goes to Navy? My neighbor said that Crossfield used to go to Hunters Woods. When and why did that change?

It makes no sense why Waples Mill doesn't go to Navy for AAP. The best history of how they got screwed is up here on DCUM from 2013 ( https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/305338.page#3556622 ):

Last Winter, there was a proposal to move around a bunch of AAP centers all over the county to better align them with high school pyramids. The proposal that circulated at the time had Mosby Woods as a center for Mosby Woods, Oakton, and Waples Mill beginning in 2013-14. I'm sure you can find that proposal on the FCPS website as well as FCAG. That proposal did not pass. After considerable parent pushback , the Board conceded to move more slowly. For the 2013-14 school year, the only AAP centers that were affected were Louise Archer, Haycock, and Hunters Woods. However, the Hunters Woods problem was only partially solved. They created a new center at Navy for Navy and Crossfield kids. But Waples Mill kids will still go to Hunters Woods in 2013-14. Since the Mosby Woods change wasn't approved for the 2013-14 school year, there was no room for the Waples Mill kids at Mosby Woods. However, Pat Hynes, School Board Rep for Hunters Woods area, was very upset that Waples Mill kids would continue to go to Hunters Woods. Dr. Zuluaga, Assistant Superintendant for Cluster 8 (which includes the Oakton HS pyramid) promised that this problem would be resolved by moving Waples Mill kids from Hunters Woods to Mosby Woods the following year (2014-15). Dr. Z wants all Oakton HS pyramid kids to attend an elementary center in the Oakton HS pyramid, so he wants centers at Navy and Mosby Woods only for Oakton HS pyramid kids. There are no official documents you can reference for this, and it is all subject to Board approval next year, so nothing is definite. However, this is the plan, and, even though Waples Mill families have been very vocal against it, nobody in the administration or on the Board seems to care. Waples Mill families are very much against this plan and want to go to the new center at Navy. It is not because of any issues with Mosby Woods as a center, but rather because of the long bus ride to Mosby Woods (including crossing 123 in rush hour) as well as the fact that Waples and Navy both feed to Franklin MS (or Rachel Carson MS, depending on how the MS AAP debate gets resolved). The principal at Waples Mill has refused to consider a LLIV program, so Waples Mill families will have no choice if they want the AAP program. Oakton ES is lucky to have the LLIV option. If you want to hear this story officially, the person to talk to is Dr. Zuluaga. His info is on the FCPS website.

Does waples mill have a LLIV?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a map that shows the AAP center feeder patterns. There’s a lot of variability in how many other schools a center pulls students in from.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2025-2026AAPElementarySchools.pdf

Can someone explain why Waples Mill goes to Hunters Woods while Crossfield, which is much closer to Hunters Woods, goes to Navy? My neighbor said that Crossfield used to go to Hunters Woods. When and why did that change?

It makes no sense why Waples Mill doesn't go to Navy for AAP. The best history of how they got screwed is up here on DCUM from 2013 ( https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/305338.page#3556622 ):

Last Winter, there was a proposal to move around a bunch of AAP centers all over the county to better align them with high school pyramids. The proposal that circulated at the time had Mosby Woods as a center for Mosby Woods, Oakton, and Waples Mill beginning in 2013-14. I'm sure you can find that proposal on the FCPS website as well as FCAG. That proposal did not pass. After considerable parent pushback , the Board conceded to move more slowly. For the 2013-14 school year, the only AAP centers that were affected were Louise Archer, Haycock, and Hunters Woods. However, the Hunters Woods problem was only partially solved. They created a new center at Navy for Navy and Crossfield kids. But Waples Mill kids will still go to Hunters Woods in 2013-14. Since the Mosby Woods change wasn't approved for the 2013-14 school year, there was no room for the Waples Mill kids at Mosby Woods. However, Pat Hynes, School Board Rep for Hunters Woods area, was very upset that Waples Mill kids would continue to go to Hunters Woods. Dr. Zuluaga, Assistant Superintendant for Cluster 8 (which includes the Oakton HS pyramid) promised that this problem would be resolved by moving Waples Mill kids from Hunters Woods to Mosby Woods the following year (2014-15). Dr. Z wants all Oakton HS pyramid kids to attend an elementary center in the Oakton HS pyramid, so he wants centers at Navy and Mosby Woods only for Oakton HS pyramid kids. There are no official documents you can reference for this, and it is all subject to Board approval next year, so nothing is definite. However, this is the plan, and, even though Waples Mill families have been very vocal against it, nobody in the administration or on the Board seems to care. Waples Mill families are very much against this plan and want to go to the new center at Navy. It is not because of any issues with Mosby Woods as a center, but rather because of the long bus ride to Mosby Woods (including crossing 123 in rush hour) as well as the fact that Waples and Navy both feed to Franklin MS (or Rachel Carson MS, depending on how the MS AAP debate gets resolved). The principal at Waples Mill has refused to consider a LLIV program, so Waples Mill families will have no choice if they want the AAP program. Oakton ES is lucky to have the LLIV option. If you want to hear this story officially, the person to talk to is Dr. Zuluaga. His info is on the FCPS website.

Does waples mill have a LLIV?

No. Waples Mill does not have a fully implemented LLIV program.

Anecdotally, most of the families I know who live in the Waples boundary but send their kids to Hunters Woods for AAP LLIV are very happy with Hunters Woods. Driving past Crossfield is totally weird. But I don’t get the sense that parents want to change the status quo because Hunters Woods has a great AAP program and an excellent principal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s a map that shows the AAP center feeder patterns. There’s a lot of variability in how many other schools a center pulls students in from.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2025-2026AAPElementarySchools.pdf

Can someone explain why Waples Mill goes to Hunters Woods while Crossfield, which is much closer to Hunters Woods, goes to Navy? My neighbor said that Crossfield used to go to Hunters Woods. When and why did that change?

It makes no sense why Waples Mill doesn't go to Navy for AAP. The best history of how they got screwed is up here on DCUM from 2013 ( https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/305338.page#3556622 ):

Last Winter, there was a proposal to move around a bunch of AAP centers all over the county to better align them with high school pyramids. The proposal that circulated at the time had Mosby Woods as a center for Mosby Woods, Oakton, and Waples Mill beginning in 2013-14. I'm sure you can find that proposal on the FCPS website as well as FCAG. That proposal did not pass. After considerable parent pushback , the Board conceded to move more slowly. For the 2013-14 school year, the only AAP centers that were affected were Louise Archer, Haycock, and Hunters Woods. However, the Hunters Woods problem was only partially solved. They created a new center at Navy for Navy and Crossfield kids. But Waples Mill kids will still go to Hunters Woods in 2013-14. Since the Mosby Woods change wasn't approved for the 2013-14 school year, there was no room for the Waples Mill kids at Mosby Woods. However, Pat Hynes, School Board Rep for Hunters Woods area, was very upset that Waples Mill kids would continue to go to Hunters Woods. Dr. Zuluaga, Assistant Superintendant for Cluster 8 (which includes the Oakton HS pyramid) promised that this problem would be resolved by moving Waples Mill kids from Hunters Woods to Mosby Woods the following year (2014-15). Dr. Z wants all Oakton HS pyramid kids to attend an elementary center in the Oakton HS pyramid, so he wants centers at Navy and Mosby Woods only for Oakton HS pyramid kids. There are no official documents you can reference for this, and it is all subject to Board approval next year, so nothing is definite. However, this is the plan, and, even though Waples Mill families have been very vocal against it, nobody in the administration or on the Board seems to care. Waples Mill families are very much against this plan and want to go to the new center at Navy. It is not because of any issues with Mosby Woods as a center, but rather because of the long bus ride to Mosby Woods (including crossing 123 in rush hour) as well as the fact that Waples and Navy both feed to Franklin MS (or Rachel Carson MS, depending on how the MS AAP debate gets resolved). The principal at Waples Mill has refused to consider a LLIV program, so Waples Mill families will have no choice if they want the AAP program. Oakton ES is lucky to have the LLIV option. If you want to hear this story officially, the person to talk to is Dr. Zuluaga. His info is on the FCPS website.

Does waples mill have a LLIV?

No. Waples Mill does not have a fully implemented LLIV program.

Anecdotally, most of the families I know who live in the Waples boundary but send their kids to Hunters Woods for AAP LLIV are very happy with Hunters Woods. Driving past Crossfield is totally weird. But I don’t get the sense that parents want to change the status quo because Hunters Woods has a great AAP program and an excellent principal.

We are a Waples family and I would have gladly sent my kid to Navy for AAP instead of Hunters Woods. The bus ride to HW was an hour. My AAP elementary kid caught the bus before and got home after their Waples sibling every day.
Waples is trying to phase in LLIV now - but it is the cluster model where the level 4 kids are intermixed with the level 3, and the principal placed kids. My second child is in it, and it is nowhere near as academically challenging or the same peer group as going to the center.

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Anonymous wrote:Do other AAP centers have more schools that “feed” into their school/center? Why would Navy only have one other school? Does that mean historically Navy and Crossfield have a lot of kids in AAP?

I don't know about other AAP centers, but it's probably a building capacity issue.

Navy enrollment #s and breakout: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:332,0

You can see that there the current 3rd grade class (grade 2 in last year's data) is a whole class size smaller than the grade ahead of them, and the current 2nd grade class (grade 1 in last year's data) is another class size smaller than them. Then the current 1st grade class jumps back up in size. It's just a population size variance.

Crossfield is a smaller school than Navy, and that is reflected in their enrollment numbers:
https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:337,0

I wouldn't be surprised if next year's 3rd grade AAP is only 1 class again. It's an overall smaller class at both schools than the one it is following.

Wait - there's only ONE AAP class at a CENTER? What's the point of even sending your kid there, why not just put them in LLIV at Crossfield? It's my understanding that only about 1/2 of the kids in the LLIV class are actually AAP, so that means Navy probably has the same amount. Just get rid of the center and make both schools LLIV.

It’s incredibly difficult to get into AAP if Navy is your base school. Almost half of the Top 10% in 2nd grade (about 9 kids) were in-pool with very high test scores and did not get in.

Then why is it a center? Why not make it at LLIV school so those kids can pupil place into the AAP class? Crossfield has one LLIV class every year, the kids can just stay there or go to Hunters Woods.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do other AAP centers have more schools that “feed” into their school/center? Why would Navy only have one other school? Does that mean historically Navy and Crossfield have a lot of kids in AAP?

I don't know about other AAP centers, but it's probably a building capacity issue.

Navy enrollment #s and breakout: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:332,0

You can see that there the current 3rd grade class (grade 2 in last year's data) is a whole class size smaller than the grade ahead of them, and the current 2nd grade class (grade 1 in last year's data) is another class size smaller than them. Then the current 1st grade class jumps back up in size. It's just a population size variance.

Crossfield is a smaller school than Navy, and that is reflected in their enrollment numbers:
https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:337,0

I wouldn't be surprised if next year's 3rd grade AAP is only 1 class again. It's an overall smaller class at both schools than the one it is following.

Wait - there's only ONE AAP class at a CENTER? What's the point of even sending your kid there, why not just put them in LLIV at Crossfield? It's my understanding that only about 1/2 of the kids in the LLIV class are actually AAP, so that means Navy probably has the same amount. Just get rid of the center and make both schools LLIV.

It’s incredibly difficult to get into AAP if Navy is your base school. Almost half of the Top 10% in 2nd grade (about 9 kids) were in-pool with very high test scores and did not get in.

Then why is it a center? Why not make it at LLIV school so those kids can pupil place into the AAP class? Crossfield has one LLIV class every year, the kids can just stay there or go to Hunters Woods.

Navy is the AAP center for Crossfield kids. Not hunters woods.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do other AAP centers have more schools that “feed” into their school/center? Why would Navy only have one other school? Does that mean historically Navy and Crossfield have a lot of kids in AAP?

I don't know about other AAP centers, but it's probably a building capacity issue.

Navy enrollment #s and breakout: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:332,0

You can see that there the current 3rd grade class (grade 2 in last year's data) is a whole class size smaller than the grade ahead of them, and the current 2nd grade class (grade 1 in last year's data) is another class size smaller than them. Then the current 1st grade class jumps back up in size. It's just a population size variance.

Crossfield is a smaller school than Navy, and that is reflected in their enrollment numbers:
https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:337,0

I wouldn't be surprised if next year's 3rd grade AAP is only 1 class again. It's an overall smaller class at both schools than the one it is following.

Wait - there's only ONE AAP class at a CENTER? What's the point of even sending your kid there, why not just put them in LLIV at Crossfield? It's my understanding that only about 1/2 of the kids in the LLIV class are actually AAP, so that means Navy probably has the same amount. Just get rid of the center and make both schools LLIV.

It’s incredibly difficult to get into AAP if Navy is your base school. Almost half of the Top 10% in 2nd grade (about 9 kids) were in-pool with very high test scores and did not get in.

Then why is it a center? Why not make it at LLIV school so those kids can pupil place into the AAP class? Crossfield has one LLIV class every year, the kids can just stay there or go to Hunters Woods.

Navy is the AAP center for Crossfield kids. Not hunters woods.

It should be Hunters Woods though. Doesn't make sense to send Crossfield to Navy and then bus Waples kids past Crossfield to Hunters Woods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do other AAP centers have more schools that “feed” into their school/center? Why would Navy only have one other school? Does that mean historically Navy and Crossfield have a lot of kids in AAP?

I don't know about other AAP centers, but it's probably a building capacity issue.

Navy enrollment #s and breakout: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:332,0

You can see that there the current 3rd grade class (grade 2 in last year's data) is a whole class size smaller than the grade ahead of them, and the current 2nd grade class (grade 1 in last year's data) is another class size smaller than them. Then the current 1st grade class jumps back up in size. It's just a population size variance.

Crossfield is a smaller school than Navy, and that is reflected in their enrollment numbers:
https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:337,0

I wouldn't be surprised if next year's 3rd grade AAP is only 1 class again. It's an overall smaller class at both schools than the one it is following.

Wait - there's only ONE AAP class at a CENTER? What's the point of even sending your kid there, why not just put them in LLIV at Crossfield? It's my understanding that only about 1/2 of the kids in the LLIV class are actually AAP, so that means Navy probably has the same amount. Just get rid of the center and make both schools LLIV.

It’s incredibly difficult to get into AAP if Navy is your base school. Almost half of the Top 10% in 2nd grade (about 9 kids) were in-pool with very high test scores and did not get in.

Then why is it a center? Why not make it at LLIV school so those kids can pupil place into the AAP class? Crossfield has one LLIV class every year, the kids can just stay there or go to Hunters Woods.

Navy is the AAP center for Crossfield kids. Not hunters woods.

It should be Hunters Woods though. Doesn't make sense to send Crossfield to Navy and then bus Waples kids past Crossfield to Hunters Woods.

Agree. FCPS creates some very strange boundaries that don’t make practical sense.