grade 7 SOL english 495

[Anonymous]

One of my kids Reading SOL scores from 3rd through 8th have literally alternated every year from very high 400s to very high 500s. It concerned me at first but now I have stopped paying attention. She got pass advance on every other SOL -- usually high 500s and one 600 in Math 7 taken in 6th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The English instruction is poor in MS. What has your student really learned in 7th or 8th grade English. They only read 1 book the whole year. There are no vocabulary or grammar lessons. There is an essay or speech each quarter, but it’s very scaffolded with little leeway. No working on analogies, etc. There is little to no feedback on writing. Very poor instruction on how to improve writing. No comments. No working 1-1. No writing and the re-writing. Just a turn-in. Time management is even poor. That’s all problematic in MS.

That might be the case at your middle school, but that's not our experience at our middle school.

My child gets detailed feedback on every writing assignment, including on all the quick responses she completes in No Red Ink. She has a major essay and at least four quick responses every quarter and there is detailed feedback and suggestions on every one of them.

My child has vocabulary units every quarter and they get tested on Latin and Greek roots, suffixes, prefixes, and context clues.

My child had had a lot of grammar instruction and has been tested every quarter. She has No Red Ink practice due every two weeks to practice the skills she's been taught in class.

Her ELA class also reads a lot of short stories, articles, poems, and personal essays. They've also read two novels so far in class and are currently reading a third.

[Anonymous]

In middle school, they start to realize the SOLs don’t count for anything or matter so they don’t take them seriously. Sometimes this is why scores are lower.

And seriously, some of you care way too much. Even in HS, if they fail and need it for graduation they just retake it.

[Anonymous]

Was is your point, OP? My child has a 100% in English and got a 430 on her reading SOL. She is dyslexic, reading is challenging, but she's super smart and a hard worker. We don't measure our children's worth in SOL scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was is your point, OP? My child has a 100% in English and got a 430 on her reading SOL. She is dyslexic, reading is challenging, but she's super smart and a hard worker. We don't measure our children's worth in SOL scores.

A 100% in HONORS English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The English instruction is poor in MS. What has your student really learned in 7th or 8th grade English. They only read 1 book the whole year. There are no vocabulary or grammar lessons. There is an essay or speech each quarter, but it’s very scaffolded with little leeway. No working on analogies, etc. There is little to no feedback on writing. Very poor instruction on how to improve writing. No comments. No working 1-1. No writing and the re-writing. Just a turn-in. Time management is even poor. That’s all problematic in MS.

When did you last have a child in middle school, PP? It sounds like 10+ years ago because my 7th grader absolutely had vocabulary and grammar lessons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The English instruction is poor in MS. What has your student really learned in 7th or 8th grade English. They only read 1 book the whole year. There are no vocabulary or grammar lessons. There is an essay or speech each quarter, but it’s very scaffolded with little leeway. No working on analogies, etc. There is little to no feedback on writing. Very poor instruction on how to improve writing. No comments. No working 1-1. No writing and the re-writing. Just a turn-in. Time management is even poor. That’s all problematic in MS.

That might be the case at your middle school, but that's not our experience at our middle school.

My child gets detailed feedback on every writing assignment, including on all the quick responses she completes in No Red Ink. She has a major essay and at least four quick responses every quarter and there is detailed feedback and suggestions on every one of them.

My child has vocabulary units every quarter and they get tested on Latin and Greek roots, suffixes, prefixes, and context clues.

My child had had a lot of grammar instruction and has been tested every quarter. She has No Red Ink practice due every two weeks to practice the skills she's been taught in class.

Her ELA class also reads a lot of short stories, articles, poems, and personal essays. They've also read two novels so far in class and are currently reading a third.

Congrats, you won the thread. Your child has the best of everything. You must be so proud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The English instruction is poor in MS. What has your student really learned in 7th or 8th grade English. They only read 1 book the whole year. There are no vocabulary or grammar lessons. There is an essay or speech each quarter, but it’s very scaffolded with little leeway. No working on analogies, etc. There is little to no feedback on writing. Very poor instruction on how to improve writing. No comments. No working 1-1. No writing and the re-writing. Just a turn-in. Time management is even poor. That’s all problematic in MS.

That might be the case at your middle school, but that's not our experience at our middle school.

My child gets detailed feedback on every writing assignment, including on all the quick responses she completes in No Red Ink. She has a major essay and at least four quick responses every quarter and there is detailed feedback and suggestions on every one of them.

My child has vocabulary units every quarter and they get tested on Latin and Greek roots, suffixes, prefixes, and context clues.

My child had had a lot of grammar instruction and has been tested every quarter. She has No Red Ink practice due every two weeks to practice the skills she's been taught in class.

Her ELA class also reads a lot of short stories, articles, poems, and personal essays. They've also read two novels so far in class and are currently reading a third.

Congrats, you won the thread. Your child has the best of everything. You must be so proud.

An eye roll response is a very strange choice when the reply to which you are responding is simply pointing out the fallacies in the PP's statement that MS English instruction includes no vocabulary or grammar lessons, poor writing instruction, no feedback on writing, and the reading of only one book.

When one makes generalized statements, implying that all middle school English instruction is poor, it is not unreasonable for someone to respond with examples of how those generalizations are a logical fallacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was is your point, OP? My child has a 100% in English and got a 430 on her reading SOL. She is dyslexic, reading is challenging, but she's super smart and a hard worker. We don't measure our children's worth in SOL scores.

I am the OP.
My point is there is disconnection between SOL score and class score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The English instruction is poor in MS. What has your student really learned in 7th or 8th grade English. They only read 1 book the whole year. There are no vocabulary or grammar lessons. There is an essay or speech each quarter, but it’s very scaffolded with little leeway. No working on analogies, etc. There is little to no feedback on writing. Very poor instruction on how to improve writing. No comments. No working 1-1. No writing and the re-writing. Just a turn-in. Time management is even poor. That’s all problematic in MS.

That might be the case at your middle school, but that's not our experience at our middle school.

My child gets detailed feedback on every writing assignment, including on all the quick responses she completes in No Red Ink. She has a major essay and at least four quick responses every quarter and there is detailed feedback and suggestions on every one of them.

My child has vocabulary units every quarter and they get tested on Latin and Greek roots, suffixes, prefixes, and context clues.

My child had had a lot of grammar instruction and has been tested every quarter. She has No Red Ink practice due every two weeks to practice the skills she's been taught in class.

Her ELA class also reads a lot of short stories, articles, poems, and personal essays. They've also read two novels so far in class and are currently reading a third.

Congrats, you won the thread. Your child has the best of everything. You must be so proud.

+1 DP here. My child went to Carson and didn’t have that experience at all. It’s teacher dependent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The English instruction is poor in MS. What has your student really learned in 7th or 8th grade English. They only read 1 book the whole year. There are no vocabulary or grammar lessons. There is an essay or speech each quarter, but it’s very scaffolded with little leeway. No working on analogies, etc. There is little to no feedback on writing. Very poor instruction on how to improve writing. No comments. No working 1-1. No writing and the re-writing. Just a turn-in. Time management is even poor. That’s all problematic in MS.

That might be the case at your middle school, but that's not our experience at our middle school.

My child gets detailed feedback on every writing assignment, including on all the quick responses she completes in No Red Ink. She has a major essay and at least four quick responses every quarter and there is detailed feedback and suggestions on every one of them.

My child has vocabulary units every quarter and they get tested on Latin and Greek roots, suffixes, prefixes, and context clues.

My child had had a lot of grammar instruction and has been tested every quarter. She has No Red Ink practice due every two weeks to practice the skills she's been taught in class.

Her ELA class also reads a lot of short stories, articles, poems, and personal essays. They've also read two novels so far in class and are currently reading a third.

Congrats, you won the thread. Your child has the best of everything. You must be so proud.

+1 DP here. My child went to Carson and didn’t have that experience at all. It’s teacher dependent.

Of course it is teacher-dependent! That is the point, and that is why it is ridiculous to say/write, "The English instruction is poor in MS... They only read 1 book the whole year. There are no vocabulary or grammar lessons. There is an essay or speech each quarter, but it’s very scaffolded with little leeway. No working on analogies, etc. There is little to no feedback on writing. Very poor instruction on how to improve writing. No comments. No working 1-1. No writing and the re-writing. Just a turn-in. Time management is even poor. That’s all problematic in MS," which is what the PP wrote. I'm sure some MS English instruction is poor, but not all of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was is your point, OP? My child has a 100% in English and got a 430 on her reading SOL. She is dyslexic, reading is challenging, but she's super smart and a hard worker. We don't measure our children's worth in SOL scores.

The state will force you to value it next year! That 430 will soon be a failing score as they raise the minimum passing scores, and then 10% of her year long grade will be a failing score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was is your point, OP? My child has a 100% in English and got a 430 on her reading SOL. She is dyslexic, reading is challenging, but she's super smart and a hard worker. We don't measure our children's worth in SOL scores.

The state will force you to value it next year! That 430 will soon be a failing score as they raise the minimum passing scores, and then 10% of her year long grade will be a failing score.

We don’t know yet exactly how schools plan to take the SOL scores and turn them into a grade for the gradebook. Stop making stuff up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The English instruction is poor in MS. What has your student really learned in 7th or 8th grade English. They only read 1 book the whole year. There are no vocabulary or grammar lessons. There is an essay or speech each quarter, but it’s very scaffolded with little leeway. No working on analogies, etc. There is little to no feedback on writing. Very poor instruction on how to improve writing. No comments. No working 1-1. No writing and the re-writing. Just a turn-in. Time management is even poor. That’s all problematic in MS.

When did you last have a child in middle school, PP? It sounds like 10+ years ago because my 7th grader absolutely had vocabulary and grammar lessons.

we are currently experiencing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The English instruction is poor in MS. What has your student really learned in 7th or 8th grade English. They only read 1 book the whole year. There are no vocabulary or grammar lessons. There is an essay or speech each quarter, but it’s very scaffolded with little leeway. No working on analogies, etc. There is little to no feedback on writing. Very poor instruction on how to improve writing. No comments. No working 1-1. No writing and the re-writing. Just a turn-in. Time management is even poor. That’s all problematic in MS.

When did you last have a child in middle school, PP? It sounds like 10+ years ago because my 7th grader absolutely had vocabulary and grammar lessons.

we are currently experiencing this.

It is a school-specific issue or a teacher-specific issue if your child isnt having a good experience with the curriculum. It isn't a universal problem.