Dartmouth finally publishes their SAT data in the Common Data Set after dropping TO; white enrollment surges

[Anonymous]

Surprised to see 1440 as the 25th percentile score. I would expect somewhere around 1480. Probably mostly athletes and FGLIs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At the other end of the spectrum, Hopkins saw 50% of their class of 2029 made up of Asian Americans. What gives?

At a guess, high-scoring white kids tend to pick Dartmouth over Hopkins, while high-scoring Asian kids tend to pick Hopkins over Dartmouth.

Also, Dartmouth really focuses on taking kids from the top 10% of their high school class. That might hurt Asian kids, because they tend to be clustered in a small number of high-performing high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Surprised to see 1440 as the 25th percentile score. I would expect somewhere around 1480. Probably mostly athletes and FGLIs?

You shouldn't. This is what the IVY SAT profiles were in 2019, before COVID and TO. This is what they will return to.
[All 8 Ivy League Schools — SAT Scores, 2019–2020 CDS (Fall 2019 Enrolled Freshmen)
School 25th 50th (est.)75th
Harvard 1500 1540 1580
Princeton 1470 1515 1560
Yale 1470 1515 1560
Columbia 1490 1530 1570
Penn 1450 1505 1560
Brown 1440 1495 1550
Dartmouth1450 15001550
Cornell 1420 1480 1540

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the other end of the spectrum, Hopkins saw 50% of their class of 2029 made up of Asian Americans. What gives?

At a guess, high-scoring white kids tend to pick Dartmouth over Hopkins, while high-scoring Asian kids tend to pick Hopkins over Dartmouth.

Also, Dartmouth really focuses on taking kids from the top 10% of their high school class. That might hurt Asian kids, because they tend to be clustered in a small number of high-performing high schools.

Hopkins is famous in taking top 10% of the class. This doesn’t make any sense!

If anything, Hopkins takes a higher percentage of the class that is Top 10% than Dartmouth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth hasn't published their SAT data in the Common Data Set for 4 years. They finally abandoned test optional. Well, they finally published it. The results are startling.

69% submitted SAT score
33% submitted ACT score

25%-50%-75%
1440-1520-1550

White 484 600 +116 +24.0%
Asian 150 145 −5 −3.3%
Black 70 53 −17 −24.3%
Hispanic 130 117 −13 −10.0%
AmIn/Alas 13 9 −4 −30.8%
Two + 98 105 +7 +7.1%
International (Nonresident) 170 154 −16 −9.4%

https://www.dartmouth.edu/oir/pdfs/cds_2025-26.pdf

This is the first ivy+ school with new test required data that is significantly lower than pre-TO data. Surprising. Cornell used to be the lowest scoring ivy pre TO. This is lower than that

[Anonymous]

Brown test mandatory
2025-2026
SAT
1470-1520-1550

Brown test optional
2023-2024
SAT
1510-1540-1560

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Surprised to see 1440 as the 25th percentile score. I would expect somewhere around 1480. Probably mostly athletes and FGLIs?

You shouldn't. This is what the IVY SAT profiles were in 2019, before COVID and TO. This is what they will return to.
[All 8 Ivy League Schools — SAT Scores, 2019–2020 CDS (Fall 2019 Enrolled Freshmen)
School 25th 50th (est.)75th
Harvard 1500 1540 1580
Princeton 1470 1515 1560
Yale 1470 1515 1560
Columbia 1490 1530 1570
Penn 1450 1505 1560
Brown 1440 1495 1550
Dartmouth1450 15001550
Cornell 1420 1480 1540

Fall 2019 freshman contains significant data from the 2016 SAT which was scored about 20 points lower than the current tests.
Use the fall 2020 data set which was also pre-test optional yet almost no one would have submitted 2016 SAT.

[Anonymous]

Asian down slightly. But 2+ up a bit. Perhaps Wasians are in the latter group? Not a meaningful trend down for Asian acceptance. Unless this number grows and persists year over year, I don’t yet see a meaningful change to the Asian student population. Will be curious to watch.

And I agree with the poster who referenced the high concentration in certain high schools. Limiting the number of kids from the Stuys, TJs and Lowells of world (also can use zip code as proxy) will do the trick. And some names can suggest/identify race, even if the school claims not to notice.

Glad to see realistic scores finally. TO skewed things into crazy land. Not sure the playing field is level, but at least now we can see it?

[Anonymous]

Brown pre-covid
middle 50th percentile
1440-1550

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth hasn't published their SAT data in the Common Data Set for 4 years. They finally abandoned test optional. Well, they finally published it. The results are startling.

69% submitted SAT score
33% submitted ACT score

25%-50%-75%
1440-1520-1550

White 484 600 +116 +24.0%
Asian 150 145 −5 −3.3%
Black 70 53 −17 −24.3%
Hispanic 130 117 −13 −10.0%
AmIn/Alas 13 9 −4 −30.8%
Two + 98 105 +7 +7.1%
International (Nonresident) 170 154 −16 −9.4%

https://www.dartmouth.edu/oir/pdfs/cds_2025-26.pdf

This is the first ivy+ school with new test required data that is significantly lower than pre-TO data. Surprising. Cornell used to be the lowest scoring ivy pre TO. This is lower than that

its 10 points lower. That's not really significant. MOE
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jycfmtmY0iAHsVs3qdiWxgUjQr9nGaUs/view

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth hasn't published their SAT data in the Common Data Set for 4 years. They finally abandoned test optional. Well, they finally published it. The results are startling.

69% submitted SAT score
33% submitted ACT score

25%-50%-75%
1440-1520-1550

White 484 600 +116 +24.0%
Asian 150 145 −5 −3.3%
Black 70 53 −17 −24.3%
Hispanic 130 117 −13 −10.0%
AmIn/Alas 13 9 −4 −30.8%
Two + 98 105 +7 +7.1%
International (Nonresident) 170 154 −16 −9.4%

https://www.dartmouth.edu/oir/pdfs/cds_2025-26.pdf

This is the first ivy+ school with new test required data that is significantly lower than pre-TO data. Surprising. Cornell used to be the lowest scoring ivy pre TO. This is lower than that

GPAs may be higher due to grade inflation, but HS kids are clearly dumber due to social media, Brawlstars, AI brain rot, etc. I think SATs will be trending down domestically unless they rescale them again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brown pre-covid
middle 50th percentile
1440-1550

Yes. The TO really screwed up people's expectations. 1450-1500 range was and is always competitive for all the ivies. Now people just whine about their robot SAT kids not getting in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Surprised to see 1440 as the 25th percentile score. I would expect somewhere around 1480. Probably mostly athletes and FGLIs?

No. Just regular smart kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brown pre-covid
middle 50th percentile
1440-1550

Dang. My legacy kids were born 5 years too late. Solidy in that range and were told not to bother applying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Surprised to see 1440 as the 25th percentile score. I would expect somewhere around 1480. Probably mostly athletes and FGLIs?

You shouldn't. This is what the IVY SAT profiles were in 2019, before COVID and TO. This is what they will return to.
[All 8 Ivy League Schools — SAT Scores, 2019–2020 CDS (Fall 2019 Enrolled Freshmen)
School 25th 50th (est.)75th
Harvard 1500 1540 1580
Princeton 1470 1515 1560
Yale 1470 1515 1560
Columbia 1490 1530 1570
Penn 1450 1505 1560
Brown 1440 1495 1550
Dartmouth1450 15001550
Cornell 1420 1480 1540

Fall 2019 freshman contains significant data from the 2016 SAT which was scored about 20 points lower than the current tests.
Use the fall 2020 data set which was also pre-test optional yet almost no one would have submitted 2016 SAT.

LOL. You are way too OCD. The schools don't care about minor variations in SAT scores. 1450-1500 has always been a qualifying score. And it still is. You just need to be compelling.