January 23 MN General Strike

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because not going to work, which will cost you personally in either lost wages or in expended paid leave, or by reducing business income for a day, will actually lead to a change in government policy? What a bizarre and irrational presumption. Why does the government care if you go to work or not? Nor does the government care if you spend money. The linkage between employee/consumer behavior and government policy in this way is totally absent.

Then name some ways to draw attention to an overreaching federal government. If you had your way, we would all be speaking the King's english and enjoying kidney beans and yorkshire pie.

DP. Yet at least some of us might have been better off today if the war of 1812 or the Revolutionary War had resulted in different outcomes.

As to the first comment though — The government is financed in large part by taxes of different sorts. Consumer behavior impacts several types of taxes and tax carve outs — linkages that are far from being “totally absent”. Consumer behavior and the productivity of businesses both directly impact tax revenue — something that the government “cares” about inasmuch as tax revenues impact the ability to implement policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because not going to work, which will cost you personally in either lost wages or in expended paid leave, or by reducing business income for a day, will actually lead to a change in government policy? What a bizarre and irrational presumption. Why does the government care if you go to work or not? Nor does the government care if you spend money. The linkage between employee/consumer behavior and government policy in this way is totally absent.

Yeah I hope I'm proven wrong but I don't get how doing this in MN helps.

If we could bring the NYSE and a number of airports to a halt, that would hurt the people Trump listens to. Would one day hurt though?

It’s a start, and a learning experience. Part of it is building community and outreach and infrastructure for a movement.

No one thinks that one day in one city will crush the government.

[Anonymous]

Anything to distract from the fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because not going to work, which will cost you personally in either lost wages or in expended paid leave, or by reducing business income for a day, will actually lead to a change in government policy? What a bizarre and irrational presumption. Why does the government care if you go to work or not? Nor does the government care if you spend money. The linkage between employee/consumer behavior and government policy in this way is totally absent.

What else can we do? I have no ideas. Does anyone? I feel so helpless as the mid- terms are a long way off.

You get what the majority vote for. If your favored candidates and policies lose, too bad. It's called democracy, not a tyranny of the minority. Vote when you can, and accept that your preferences are not universal - other people want other things than you do. That's the way democracies work. An inability to accept that doesn't lead to a way to impose your will on others, whether through a "general strike", rioting in the streets, or by posting diatribes on social media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because not going to work, which will cost you personally in either lost wages or in expended paid leave, or by reducing business income for a day, will actually lead to a change in government policy? What a bizarre and irrational presumption. Why does the government care if you go to work or not? Nor does the government care if you spend money. The linkage between employee/consumer behavior and government policy in this way is totally absent.

Then name some ways to draw attention to an overreaching federal government. If you had your way, we would all be speaking the King's english and enjoying kidney beans and yorkshire pie.

As if there is complete ignorance that some people don't like current government policies, and this will suddenly make that apparent? What, exactly, are you trying to draw attention to that is not already well known? There have always been people who dislike whatever the current government is, no surprise there. This adds exactly nothing to that awareness. It is futile and self-defeating, because it costs proponents their day's wages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need this at the national level, too. Repeatedly.

+1. Twice a year with an emphasis on helping your community day would be my suggestion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because not going to work, which will cost you personally in either lost wages or in expended paid leave, or by reducing business income for a day, will actually lead to a change in government policy? What a bizarre and irrational presumption. Why does the government care if you go to work or not? Nor does the government care if you spend money. The linkage between employee/consumer behavior and government policy in this way is totally absent.

Then what's your plan?

I love how people crap all over someone else's organizing.

General strikes have been effective in many places, but the US doesn't have a history of them. This may be that start of that as we've got a federal executive branch out of control, a weak Congress that isn't listening to the people or standing on any principles, and a glacial and politicized judiciary.

You gotta start somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Minnesota is planning a general strike on Friday, January 23. The call is for people to stay home and do nothing for 24 hours.

No idea if there is any effort to spread it to other states. Worth keeping an eye on. Regardless I will not be participating in the US economy on Friday.

Lazy liberals do this every day. How is this any different?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need this at the national level, too. Repeatedly.

The problem is, the majority of people who would support this strike live like this every day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because not going to work, which will cost you personally in either lost wages or in expended paid leave, or by reducing business income for a day, will actually lead to a change in government policy? What a bizarre and irrational presumption. Why does the government care if you go to work or not? Nor does the government care if you spend money. The linkage between employee/consumer behavior and government policy in this way is totally absent.

Then what's your plan?

I love how people crap all over someone else's organizing.

General strikes have been effective in many places, but the US doesn't have a history of them. This may be that start of that as we've got a federal executive branch out of control, a weak Congress that isn't listening to the people or standing on any principles, and a glacial and politicized judiciary.

You gotta start somewhere.

You’re forgetting that a large portion of your fellow citizens voted for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because not going to work, which will cost you personally in either lost wages or in expended paid leave, or by reducing business income for a day, will actually lead to a change in government policy? What a bizarre and irrational presumption. Why does the government care if you go to work or not? Nor does the government care if you spend money. The linkage between employee/consumer behavior and government policy in this way is totally absent.

Then name some ways to draw attention to an overreaching federal government. If you had your way, we would all be speaking the King's english and enjoying kidney beans and yorkshire pie.

DP. Yet at least some of us might have been better off today if the war of 1812 or the Revolutionary War had resulted in different outcomes.

As to the first comment though — The government is financed in large part by taxes of different sorts. Consumer behavior impacts several types of taxes and tax carve outs — linkages that are far from being “totally absent”. Consumer behavior and the productivity of businesses both directly impact tax revenue — something that the government “cares” about inasmuch as tax revenues impact the ability to implement policies.

true, but while "blue states" subsidize "red states" in most cases, it isn't like there is a mechanis for blue taxpayers to withhold taxes and not draw the wrath of the remaining IRS agents out there, so I agree that a general strike is a good move, but I wish it were national and not just in Minnesota. I also agree with a PP that there is no appetite or culture of this sort of form of protest in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because not going to work, which will cost you personally in either lost wages or in expended paid leave, or by reducing business income for a day, will actually lead to a change in government policy? What a bizarre and irrational presumption. Why does the government care if you go to work or not? Nor does the government care if you spend money. The linkage between employee/consumer behavior and government policy in this way is totally absent.

What else can we do? I have no ideas. Does anyone? I feel so helpless as the mid- terms are a long way off.

You get what the majority vote for. If your favored candidates and policies lose, too bad. It's called democracy, not a tyranny of the minority. Vote when you can, and accept that your preferences are not universal - other people want other things than you do. That's the way democracies work. An inability to accept that doesn't lead to a way to impose your will on others, whether through a "general strike", rioting in the streets, or by posting diatribes on social media.

the majority didn't vote for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Minnesota is planning a general strike on Friday, January 23. The call is for people to stay home and do nothing for 24 hours.

No idea if there is any effort to spread it to other states. Worth keeping an eye on. Regardless I will not be participating in the US economy on Friday.

Lazy liberals do this every day. How is this any different?

75% of the GDP in this country are from blue, liberal cities and states. Let's just stop with the gaslighting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because not going to work, which will cost you personally in either lost wages or in expended paid leave, or by reducing business income for a day, will actually lead to a change in government policy? What a bizarre and irrational presumption. Why does the government care if you go to work or not? Nor does the government care if you spend money. The linkage between employee/consumer behavior and government policy in this way is totally absent.

What else can we do? I have no ideas. Does anyone? I feel so helpless as the mid- terms are a long way off.

You get what the majority vote for. If your favored candidates and policies lose, too bad. It's called democracy, not a tyranny of the minority. Vote when you can, and accept that your preferences are not universal - other people want other things than you do. That's the way democracies work. An inability to accept that doesn't lead to a way to impose your will on others, whether through a "general strike", rioting in the streets, or by posting diatribes on social media.

You sound a bit worried. Nice try though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Minnesota is planning a general strike on Friday, January 23. The call is for people to stay home and do nothing for 24 hours.

No idea if there is any effort to spread it to other states. Worth keeping an eye on. Regardless I will not be participating in the US economy on Friday.

Lazy liberals do this every day. How is this any different?

Liberal states fund your podunk states. You must really miss Fairfax Underground.