APS Demographic Stats and Suspensions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes.
-teachers

Yes - what?!

You are trying to “balance” discipline by skin color? How?! 25-25-25-25 for each major group? Or balance by that particular school so if that school had 50% Hispanics 50% of Hispanics receive discipline - no more no less?! If the ratio is out of whack you look the other way? Pure lunacy.

I didn’t say *I* do that. I was agreeing with the previous poster that the school district does that.

Honest question… Was that really unclear???

I thought the teacher was saying yes, file a FOIS request

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes.
-teachers

Yes - what?!

You are trying to “balance” discipline by skin color? How?! 25-25-25-25 for each major group? Or balance by that particular school so if that school had 50% Hispanics 50% of Hispanics receive discipline - no more no less?! If the ratio is out of whack you look the other way? Pure lunacy.

I didn’t say *I* do that. I was agreeing with the previous poster that the school district does that.

Honest question… Was that really unclear???

Yes, sorry. Which school district? APS? Loudoun? And how are they doing that (my examples)? I can’t wrap my head around this idiocy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes.
-teachers

Yes - what?!

You are trying to “balance” discipline by skin color? How?! 25-25-25-25 for each major group? Or balance by that particular school so if that school had 50% Hispanics 50% of Hispanics receive discipline - no more no less?! If the ratio is out of whack you look the other way? Pure lunacy.

Read the ArlNow article linked. APS isn't even trying to hide this is what they are measuring. So of course schools are going to try to make the numbers look more like what they are told admin wants, which is disciplinary action in line with the race demographics.

On some level I get it, Black and Hispanic kids are disproportionately disciplined compared to the percentage they are in the school population. The rub lies in what do you think the cause is and what is the administrator supposed to do with the end product of any kid behaving poorly. I can believe at some point in time, white kids with pushy entitled parents probably got their kids out of a lot of things. Now the pendulum has swung wildly the other way where there is a lot of pressure on administrators not to hold Black and Hispanic kids to the same behavior standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes.
-teachers

Yes - what?!

You are trying to “balance” discipline by skin color? How?! 25-25-25-25 for each major group? Or balance by that particular school so if that school had 50% Hispanics 50% of Hispanics receive discipline - no more no less?! If the ratio is out of whack you look the other way? Pure lunacy.

I didn’t say *I* do that. I was agreeing with the previous poster that the school district does that.

Honest question… Was that really unclear???

Yes, sorry. Which school district? APS? Loudoun? And how are they doing that (my examples)? I can’t wrap my head around this idiocy.

I am not the PP, but is it hard to imagine what they do? If you have kids in public school in any of these public school districts, your kids will tell you what they do. Letting behavior go longer with warnings and not doing anything about it. Restorative justice etc.

[Anonymous]

The data is really only worthwhile if we are comparing students of different races getting punished in disparate ways for the same offenses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes.
-teachers

I feel like they work so hard to keep things undocumented.

110% agree. Naming names: Kenmore.

What’s not getting documented at Kenmore? We’re zoned for Kenmore and debating if we go private or give it a try when the time comes

[Anonymous]

It happens at Gunston too. There’s a student who my child has witnessed attacking others on at least 3 separate occasions and he doesn’t even get sent home for the rest of the day because he has an IEP. It’s serious stuff like choking others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The data is really only worthwhile if we are comparing students of different races getting punished in disparate ways for the same offenses.

I don't think APS cares if students of different races get punished in different ways for the same offense. That is not a problem they are trying to solve. They are measuring exactly what they care about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It happens at Gunston too. There’s a student who my child has witnessed attacking others on at least 3 separate occasions and he doesn’t even get sent home for the rest of the day because he has an IEP. It’s serious stuff like choking others.

This was our experience at another middle school in APS as well. In hindsight should have found a private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The data is really only worthwhile if we are comparing students of different races getting punished in disparate ways for the same offenses.

Yes, this. Be fair and check whether people are indeed fair. But quotas and turning a blind eye? Absolutely the f not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The data is really only worthwhile if we are comparing students of different races getting punished in disparate ways for the same offenses.

I don't think APS cares if students of different races get punished in different ways for the same offense. That is not a problem they are trying to solve. They are measuring exactly what they care about.

What “problem” are they trying to solve? Optics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The data is really only worthwhile if we are comparing students of different races getting punished in disparate ways for the same offenses.

I don't think APS cares if students of different races get punished in different ways for the same offense. That is not a problem they are trying to solve. They are measuring exactly what they care about.

What “problem” are they trying to solve? Optics?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The data is really only worthwhile if we are comparing students of different races getting punished in disparate ways for the same offenses.

I don't think APS cares if students of different races get punished in different ways for the same offense. That is not a problem they are trying to solve. They are measuring exactly what they care about.

What “problem” are they trying to solve? Optics?

Investigation from the office of silver right though I don’t think that’s going to be a problem in the current era