Cuts for Making HS Team

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Anonymous wrote:I think Oakton and Chantilly are two of the harder swim teams to make. Anywhere with a higher SES is going to have a lot of club swimmers. So then you not only have to be a club swimmer to make the team, but a pretty good one. We know kids who are good club and summer league swimmers who did not make their HS team. I imagine at a lower SES school with fewer club swimmers it would be easy to make the team.

What is SES?

Socioeconomic status aka money and time for club swimming and access to multiple pools nearby

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

Good 10 and 11 year olds are swimming that fast so it doesn't seem like an unreasonable cut for high schoolers to me.

I just looked at the psych sheet for our club meet this weekend and not a single 10 or 11 yo has a time that fast. There are about a dozen 12 yos (co-ed) under 1:02, and less than half of the 13+ swimmers (35/100 women and 55/93 men). I'm sure there are more elite meets, but that is a fast time even for club swimmers.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

Good 10 and 11 year olds are swimming that fast so it doesn't seem like an unreasonable cut for high schoolers to me.

I just looked at the psych sheet for our club meet this weekend and not a single 10 or 11 yo has a time that fast. There are about a dozen 12 yos (co-ed) under 1:02, and less than half of the 13+ swimmers (35/100 women and 55/93 men). I'm sure there are more elite meets, but that is a fast time even for club swimmers.

PP must know some really fast 10 year olds! A 10 year old with a 1:02 has a AAA time. Very close to AAAA time. 11-12 it becomes much more attainable. Regardless, I would certainly expect it for a club swimmer trying out for Oakton/Chantilly. For 50 free, I would expect those times to be around 26-30

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woodson has cuts too allegedly --- where would these be posted?

They had 130-140 on their practice roster sign up from what I heard. Swimmers will be told if they make the team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

Good 10 and 11 year olds are swimming that fast so it doesn't seem like an unreasonable cut for high schoolers to me.

I just looked at the psych sheet for our club meet this weekend and not a single 10 or 11 yo has a time that fast. There are about a dozen 12 yos (co-ed) under 1:02, and less than half of the 13+ swimmers (35/100 women and 55/93 men). I'm sure there are more elite meets, but that is a fast time even for club swimmers.

I saw multiple 11-12 kids break 1:00 in the 100 free at a meet recently. I think they were NCAP. Not many, but 2 or 3.

Anyway, don’t high school coaches look at club swimming times when factoring in who makes the team? It seems tryouts might be good for schools with hardly any club swimmers, for assessing the size or potential of kids who haven’t swam as much, and making sure they are coachable. But aren’t recent club times the best indicator of who is the fastest?

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Anonymous wrote:Woodson has cuts too allegedly --- where would these be posted?

They had 130-140 on their practice roster sign up from what I heard. Swimmers will be told if they make the team.

They barely cut anyone. 95 kids!

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Anonymous wrote:I think Oakton and Chantilly are two of the harder swim teams to make. Anywhere with a higher SES is going to have a lot of club swimmers. So then you not only have to be a club swimmer to make the team, but a pretty good one. We know kids who are good club and summer league swimmers who did not make their HS team. I imagine at a lower SES school with fewer club swimmers it would be easy to make the team.

What is SES?

Socioeconomic status aka money and time for club swimming and access to multiple pools nearby

Yeah, when I think socioeconomic status, I think Chantilly.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

Good 10 and 11 year olds are swimming that fast so it doesn't seem like an unreasonable cut for high schoolers to me.

I just looked at the psych sheet for our club meet this weekend and not a single 10 or 11 yo has a time that fast. There are about a dozen 12 yos (co-ed) under 1:02, and less than half of the 13+ swimmers (35/100 women and 55/93 men). I'm sure there are more elite meets, but that is a fast time even for club swimmers.

Your meet this weekend is likely an open, with plenty of new swimmers and many that hardly compete. 1:02 doesn't even qualify for JOs / PVS Champs for a 12 year-old girl, so it's not crazy fast. There are so many kids that fast- not just at elite meets, but even at mid-tier meets that don't allow NT entries.

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Marshall HS had cuts.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Oakton and Chantilly are two of the harder swim teams to make. Anywhere with a higher SES is going to have a lot of club swimmers. So then you not only have to be a club swimmer to make the team, but a pretty good one. We know kids who are good club and summer league swimmers who did not make their HS team. I imagine at a lower SES school with fewer club swimmers it would be easy to make the team.

What is SES?

Socioeconomic status aka money and time for club swimming and access to multiple pools nearby

Yeah, when I think socioeconomic status, I think Chantilly.

It’s all relative. Plenty of families whose kids start in summer league swim and can afford club swim, with lots of options nearby. Not so much the case for some other higher FARMS schools. Chantilly just had a couple of boys commit to D1 swimming.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a swimmer on a HS team and she is saying that no one makes it who doesn't have at least a 1:10 in 100 free (women's). Not sure how accurate that is.

For my kid's school it's 1:02. And yes, there will be cuts to get down to 30 girls, and yes some kids who swim club will be cut.

1:02? Is this a local school - that seems very fast.

Good 10 and 11 year olds are swimming that fast so it doesn't seem like an unreasonable cut for high schoolers to me.

I just looked at the psych sheet for our club meet this weekend and not a single 10 or 11 yo has a time that fast. There are about a dozen 12 yos (co-ed) under 1:02, and less than half of the 13+ swimmers (35/100 women and 55/93 men). I'm sure there are more elite meets, but that is a fast time even for club swimmers.

Your meet this weekend is likely an open, with plenty of new swimmers and many that hardly compete. 1:02 doesn't even qualify for JOs / PVS Champs for a 12 year-old girl, so it's not crazy fast. There are so many kids that fast- not just at elite meets, but even at mid-tier meets that don't allow NT entries.

1:02 is a BB time for a 13-14 girl and a B time for a 15-16 girl. For boys, a 1:02 is a B time for a 13-14 and less than B for a 15 and over. So no, this isn’t a fast time for a HS aged swimmer.

[Anonymous]

WSHS team cut club swimmers for both girls and boys. The coach said they limit “to around 30” for each team. The boys team in particular is very competitive.

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My son’s school (not one of the ones listed) times to make the team:
Girls:

200 free 2:16

200 IM 2:34

50 free 27.5

100 fly 1:10

100 free 1:01

500 free 6:00

100 back 1:11

100 breast 1:20



Boys:

200 free 2:02

200 IM 2:22

50 free 24.10

100 fly 1:00

100 free :54

500 free 5:40

100 back 1:02

100 breast 1:11

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son’s school (not one of the ones listed) times to make the team:
Girls:

200 free 2:16

200 IM 2:34

50 free 27.5

100 fly 1:10

100 free 1:01

500 free 6:00

100 back 1:11

100 breast 1:20



Boys:

200 free 2:02

200 IM 2:22

50 free 24.10

100 fly 1:00

100 free :54

500 free 5:40

100 back 1:02

100 breast 1:11

Do they have to qualify in every event to make the team? Some kids are much better in some events than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son’s school (not one of the ones listed) times to make the team:
Girls:

200 free 2:16

200 IM 2:34

50 free 27.5

100 fly 1:10

100 free 1:01

500 free 6:00

100 back 1:11

100 breast 1:20



Boys:

200 free 2:02

200 IM 2:22

50 free 24.10

100 fly 1:00

100 free :54

500 free 5:40

100 back 1:02

100 breast 1:11

Why are these cuts so much harder for boys, accounting for gender differences? Most of the girls’ times are 13-14 BB, while the boys’ (especially sprints) are 13-14 A+. The 50 free time for boys is right between an AA and AAA! Most boys would be 14 trying out as freshmen, many of whom have not yet had their big growth spurt. Makes no sense. Do they just have a lot more boys who want to swim? Surprising, since usually it’s the opposite.