Was the shutdown end strategically planned by democrats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, some of the Dems were very distraught while discussing it on IG. Tim Miller isn't a Democrat, and sometimes it's going to show.

They say if you aren't attractive enough to make it in acting to go into politics. They are actors acting. They are not distraught. They have the No vote on their record that they needed, but no longer have people pressuring them to end the shutdown AND they get to continue dangling the healthcare issue to motivate their voters. This is exactly what they all wanted, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you.

Agree with this

They were making zero progress on healthcare while their constituents are starving. It makes sense to take a pause for thanksgiving and christmas, let republicans get weakened by Epstein, then go for the kill again in January

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats don’t have power. As Miller also sad, it is hard to play chicken when your opponent wants to crash. The Dems got what they could.

Well the shutdown did not end until several democrats stepped forward.

What's this about not having any power?

Do you ever think about the BS you post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it was. And remember - sometimes when you win you lose, and when you lose, you win.

Looked like the votes to open were coming from reps who planned to retire. Can see why they would do it -.to help feds and SNAP and also get the Epstein files out there.

The vote to open?

All except one republican, Rand Paul, voted to reopen????

[Anonymous]

Of course the vote was strategically planned. That's what a Party does. The vote together, and they give minimum votes to pass something that the majority of the party's constituents don't want.

When only the retiring members break ranks, they are sacrificing their (expiring) career to help the Party achieve unpopular goals. (Unpopular doesn't always mean wrong. Sometimes the politicians are more savvy than their voters.)

[Anonymous]

It was timed to provide outrage-fuel for the No Kings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was timed to provide outrage-fuel for the No Kings.

Yes exactly; Trump’s shutdown proves he’s a king.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, some of the Dems were very distraught while discussing it on IG. Tim Miller isn't a Democrat, and sometimes it's going to show.

They say if you aren't attractive enough to make it in acting to go into politics. They are actors acting. They are not distraught. They have the No vote on their record that they needed, but no longer have people pressuring them to end the shutdown AND they get to continue dangling the healthcare issue to motivate their voters. This is exactly what they all wanted, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you.

Does that still work? There's no progress on healthcare. Biden and Harris were barely touching it. There's so much noise about so many issues but it really doesn't seem like Democrats (and obviously Republicans don't give a shit so not my point!) want anything beyond more subsidies here and there. That's not a fix or a promise to change anything in a meaningful way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, some of the Dems were very distraught while discussing it on IG. Tim Miller isn't a Democrat, and sometimes it's going to show.

They say if you aren't attractive enough to make it in acting to go into politics. They are actors acting. They are not distraught. They have the No vote on their record that they needed, but no longer have people pressuring them to end the shutdown AND they get to continue dangling the healthcare issue to motivate their voters. This is exactly what they all wanted, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you.

Does that still work? There's no progress on healthcare. Biden and Harris were barely touching it. There's so much noise about so many issues but it really doesn't seem like Democrats (and obviously Republicans don't give a shit so not my point!) want anything beyond more subsidies here and there. That's not a fix or a promise to change anything in a meaningful way.

Barely touching it? What should they have done? Please spell out your plan here if you are so politically astute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, some of the Dems were very distraught while discussing it on IG. Tim Miller isn't a Democrat, and sometimes it's going to show.

They say if you aren't attractive enough to make it in acting to go into politics. They are actors acting. They are not distraught. They have the No vote on their record that they needed, but no longer have people pressuring them to end the shutdown AND they get to continue dangling the healthcare issue to motivate their voters. This is exactly what they all wanted, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you.

Does that still work? There's no progress on healthcare. Biden and Harris were barely touching it. There's so much noise about so many issues but it really doesn't seem like Democrats (and obviously Republicans don't give a shit so not my point!) want anything beyond more subsidies here and there. That's not a fix or a promise to change anything in a meaningful way.

Barely touching it? What should they have done? Please spell out your plan here if you are so politically astute.

I'm not a politician. If you're talking about motivating voters with healthcare, talk of subsidies isn't enough. Something meaningful like Medicare for All is what I want and there needs to be more talk about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tim Miller said they are not as upset in private as they let on on social media and those who voted yes like Tim Kaine were taking one for the team. They already got all they could get from the shutdown and now it's time for Epstein files.

I'll choose a democrat any day over republicans who seem a-ok with a pedophile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, some of the Dems were very distraught while discussing it on IG. Tim Miller isn't a Democrat, and sometimes it's going to show.

They say if you aren't attractive enough to make it in acting to go into politics. They are actors acting. They are not distraught. They have the No vote on their record that they needed, but no longer have people pressuring them to end the shutdown AND they get to continue dangling the healthcare issue to motivate their voters. This is exactly what they all wanted, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you.

Does that still work? There's no progress on healthcare. Biden and Harris were barely touching it. There's so much noise about so many issues but it really doesn't seem like Democrats (and obviously Republicans don't give a shit so not my point!) want anything beyond more subsidies here and there. That's not a fix or a promise to change anything in a meaningful way.

I agree that neither side is interested in offering a real solution, but like Republicans used to have abortion, Democrats do like having healthcare as their own voter catnip. And the reality is that voters do care about this issue and do want a solution, and don't really have the luxury of not electing the one party at least pretending to give this issue the attention it deserves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, some of the Dems were very distraught while discussing it on IG. Tim Miller isn't a Democrat, and sometimes it's going to show.

They say if you aren't attractive enough to make it in acting to go into politics. They are actors acting. They are not distraught. They have the No vote on their record that they needed, but no longer have people pressuring them to end the shutdown AND they get to continue dangling the healthcare issue to motivate their voters. This is exactly what they all wanted, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you.

Does that still work? There's no progress on healthcare. Biden and Harris were barely touching it. There's so much noise about so many issues but it really doesn't seem like Democrats (and obviously Republicans don't give a shit so not my point!) want anything beyond more subsidies here and there. That's not a fix or a promise to change anything in a meaningful way.

Barely touching it? What should they have done? Please spell out your plan here if you are so politically astute.

I'm not a politician. If you're talking about motivating voters with healthcare, talk of subsidies isn't enough. Something meaningful like Medicare for All is what I want and there needs to be more talk about it.

Right, but if your choice is electing a Republican who doesn't care if you live or die or a Democrat saying they want to extend subsidies, subsidies aren't enough but you take the subsidies, right? This is the calculus democrats know their base will make, and they think it helps them strategically to continue to have this issue on the table. They don't want to actually solve it, but they want us to think they will if we just vote hard enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, some of the Dems were very distraught while discussing it on IG. Tim Miller isn't a Democrat, and sometimes it's going to show.

They say if you aren't attractive enough to make it in acting to go into politics. They are actors acting. They are not distraught. They have the No vote on their record that they needed, but no longer have people pressuring them to end the shutdown AND they get to continue dangling the healthcare issue to motivate their voters. This is exactly what they all wanted, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you.

Does that still work? There's no progress on healthcare. Biden and Harris were barely touching it. There's so much noise about so many issues but it really doesn't seem like Democrats (and obviously Republicans don't give a shit so not my point!) want anything beyond more subsidies here and there. That's not a fix or a promise to change anything in a meaningful way.

Barely touching it? What should they have done? Please spell out your plan here if you are so politically astute.

I'm not a politician. If you're talking about motivating voters with healthcare, talk of subsidies isn't enough. Something meaningful like Medicare for All is what I want and there needs to be more talk about it.

Right, but if your choice is electing a Republican who doesn't care if you live or die or a Democrat saying they want to extend subsidies, subsidies aren't enough but you take the subsidies, right? This is the calculus democrats know their base will make, and they think it helps them strategically to continue to have this issue on the table. They don't want to actually solve it, but they want us to think they will if we just vote hard enough.

I won't vote Republican, but not because of Democrats extending subsidies. I'm not sure it's an appealing topic driving people as a whole considering rising ACA costs and lack of accessibility. They aren't a valid long term solution to our huge health crisis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh, some of the Dems were very distraught while discussing it on IG. Tim Miller isn't a Democrat, and sometimes it's going to show.

They say if you aren't attractive enough to make it in acting to go into politics. They are actors acting. They are not distraught. They have the No vote on their record that they needed, but no longer have people pressuring them to end the shutdown AND they get to continue dangling the healthcare issue to motivate their voters. This is exactly what they all wanted, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you.

Does that still work? There's no progress on healthcare. Biden and Harris were barely touching it. There's so much noise about so many issues but it really doesn't seem like Democrats (and obviously Republicans don't give a shit so not my point!) want anything beyond more subsidies here and there. That's not a fix or a promise to change anything in a meaningful way.

Things are getting worse, and Republicans will be blamed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tim Miller said they are not as upset in private as they let on on social media and those who voted yes like Tim Kaine were taking one for the team. They already got all they could get from the shutdown and now it's time for Epstein files.

I'll choose a democrat any day over republicans who seem a-ok with a pedophile.

It was Democrats that had Bill Clinton at their convention.