Um, guys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One good thing that came out of this was increased visibility of the SNAP program.

Not many people were aware that over 40 million people were on it or that soft drinks was the number one item purchased.

Soft drinks are primarily high-fructose corn syrup and water.

Corn syrup supports our corn farmers; why shouldn’t most of the SNAP money ultimately end up going to American corn farmers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was never that they were powerless. It was that the responsibility to negotiate and to broker a deal to prevent or end the shutdown belonged to the majority party, the Republicans. The fact that they chose not to negotiate whatsoever was a bullying tactic.

Anyone suggesting Democrats are responsible for the shutdown are suggesting they had a responsibility be bullied into voting for a bill that did not meet the needs of their constituents. They did not.

However, they did in the end allow themselves to be bullied into voting for a bill that does not serve the interests or desires of the people they represent.

They voted for a bill that maintains the status quo for a few months. The original bill that they didn't vote for would have funded the government until about a week from now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry. Sure looks like it to me that Dems are at fault.

No one wins with shutdowns. No one should hold Feds hostage. No one should hold SNAP recipients hostage.

Find a moral way to fight.

What's immoral about refusing to supply votes for a bill your voters don't want?

They weren't asked to supply votes. They were asked to end debate on a bill so it could be voted on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One good thing that came out of this was increased visibility of the SNAP program.

Not many people were aware that over 40 million people were on it or that soft drinks was the number one item purchased.

They are the easiest to resell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know we have (mostly) all been true to the narrative that the repugs control both houses and the WH so this whole shutdown is 100% their fault; they are the ones who are solely responsible for all the suffering.

But the complaining that “we caved,” and that we were the ones with the power to end this all along,

- doesn’t that directly counter our original narrative that we were powerless to stop this repug shutdown?

Yes, the whole plan was too slick for their own good. They needed to pick a path, say they are shutting the government down to save people money or just let the CR pass and fight on something else.

This. Instead they did the worst thing they could've done. They allowed the shutdown to go on for 40 days, with people missing paychecks and crucial government benefits, and THEN gave in without getting any real concessions. They wasted the Good Will of the public who just handed them huge electoral victories, and yet still somehow believe people will continue to show up for them in elections, to give them power they never get around to using for our benefit.

This.
42 days and we got nothing.

They did not have leverage, unless you consider ending the filibuster and Republicans passing whatever they want for a year a get.

Democrats have the minority in the House and Senate. As long as Republicans can get a majority behind what they want, never a sure thing, then Democrats are stuck.
Republicans could have just passed the actual budget bills and taken away the Democrats' leverage that way as well.

[Anonymous]

Why is this thread still up with this stupid title?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know we have (mostly) all been true to the narrative that the repugs control both houses and the WH so this whole shutdown is 100% their fault; they are the ones who are solely responsible for all the suffering.

But the complaining that “we caved,” and that we were the ones with the power to end this all along,

- doesn’t that directly counter our original narrative that we were powerless to stop this repug shutdown?

The American people knew it was a democratic narrative all along. They know it was the democrats who caused this shut down. The democrats were simply using their tried and true strategy of deflecting and projecting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One good thing that came out of this was increased visibility of the SNAP program.

Not many people were aware that over 40 million people were on it or that soft drinks was the number one item purchased.

Soft drinks are primarily high-fructose corn syrup and water.

Corn syrup supports our corn farmers; why shouldn’t most of the SNAP money ultimately end up going to American corn farmers?

Really? This is really your response??

Maybe they should be buying other products produced by farmers like ACTUAL corn and other vegetables.

[Anonymous]

I love how Leavitt switched from saying the shutdown was entirely controlled by the Democrats, to sayingthe Republicans were victorious in ending it.

So if they ended it successfully, that means it was in them, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One good thing that came out of this was increased visibility of the SNAP program.

Not many people were aware that over 40 million people were on it or that soft drinks was the number one item purchased.

Soft drinks are primarily high-fructose corn syrup and water.

Corn syrup supports our corn farmers; why shouldn’t most of the SNAP money ultimately end up going to American corn farmers?

Corn farmers don't deserve another cent. It's their lobby that made possible the overproduction of corn in the first place through subsidies.

https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-data-says/

Corn was the most-subsidized crop in 2024; corn farms received $3.2 billion, or 30.5% of all federal farm subsidies. Corn makes up 95% of all US-produced feed grains (a category that also includes oats, barley, and sorghum). It’s used for livestock feed, ethanol production, and food in products like sweeteners, corn oil, beverages, starch, and alcohol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love how Leavitt switched from saying the shutdown was entirely controlled by the Democrats, to sayingthe Republicans were victorious in ending it.

So if they ended it successfully, that means it was in them, right?

Nice try. No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know we have (mostly) all been true to the narrative that the repugs control both houses and the WH so this whole shutdown is 100% their fault; they are the ones who are solely responsible for all the suffering.

But the complaining that “we caved,” and that we were the ones with the power to end this all along,

- doesn’t that directly counter our original narrative that we were powerless to stop this repug shutdown?

The American people knew it was a democratic narrative all along. They know it was the democrats who caused this shut down. The democrats were simply using their tried and true strategy of deflecting and projecting.

The dems tried to exploit the suffering of the poorest Americans to their own political advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry. Sure looks like it to me that Dems are at fault.

No one wins with shutdowns. No one should hold Feds hostage. No one should hold SNAP recipients hostage.

Find a moral way to fight.

DP.
I'm going to repeat what was written by the PP just prior to your post, because it is the correct answer: "...the responsibility to negotiate and to broker a deal to prevent or end the shutdown belonged to the majority party, the Republicans. The fact that they chose not to negotiate whatsoever was a bullying tactic."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry. Sure looks like it to me that Dems are at fault.

No one wins with shutdowns. No one should hold Feds hostage. No one should hold SNAP recipients hostage.

Find a moral way to fight.

What's immoral about refusing to supply votes for a bill your voters don't want?

They weren't asked to supply votes. They were asked to end debate on a bill so it could be voted on.

I think you know very well that that's exactly how a filibuster works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One good thing that came out of this was increased visibility of the SNAP program.

Not many people were aware that over 40 million people were on it or that soft drinks was the number one item purchased.

Soft drinks are primarily high-fructose corn syrup and water.

Corn syrup supports our corn farmers; why shouldn’t most of the SNAP money ultimately end up going to American corn farmers?

Really? This is really your response??

Maybe they should be buying other products produced by farmers like ACTUAL corn and other vegetables.

Maybe our farmers should produce less corn (most of it is animal feed corn and corn for high fructose corn syrup) and more actual food if they want subsidies, which SNAP is.

No one complains about farmers having their hands out, but you begrudge the working poor a soda? Why? And don't give me crap about caring about their health. We waste money on tons of things in this country. Feeding the poor is not one of them.