middle schooler with IEP - teacher refuses to follow extended time accomodation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legally, if everyone got an extra 2 weeks, a student with +50% accommodation gets an extra 3 weeks.

It isn't up to the teacher or any parents on this board to substitute their own judgement about what is or isn't appropriate or whether providing the accommodation is or isn't helpful to the student. The legally required IEP team met and decided what is appropriate in terms of extra time and all teachers, regardless of their personal opinions, are required to implement the IEP. If a teacher can make their own rules about when accommodations can be used, that completely undermines the statutory requirements of IDEA.

I would respond in writing to the teacher, with a cc to the principal explaining the above and restating what actions need to happen (acceptance of the assignment?) to bring the teacher back into compliance with the IEP.

Then I would take my reply and forward it to the principal and the associate superintendent of education, with a CC to the teacher, share and ask the principal and the associate superintendent of education to provide support to the teacher to help her "come into compliance with my son's IEP accommodations by doing X,Y,Z, so that I do not have to resort to my due process options"

I have found that supervisory special education staff are very quick to respond to opportunities to fix legal non-compliance, and, once provided appropriate direction from supervisors, the non-compliant teacher often becomes compliant moving forward in the future without continuous prompting by parent or student.

This is a great way for a teacher who teaches a subjective subject like English to really grade harshly and deal harshly with your kid when you over-react like this. This is such an over the top reaction for a 7th grade student. And you didn't read the post carefully. The teacher already CC'd the principal when responding to the parent. And the threat of due process over something so minor? You really make it hard for other parents of special needs parents who are contacting teachers because they get so frustrated by such ridiculous threats.

I’m a teacher and a parent of a special needs child.

From my work perspective: I’m not going to grade more harshly because of this parent. The student isn’t to blame for the parent’s tendency to retaliate, drawing in 4-6 overworked people to resolve one problem. If anything, the kid is probably frustrated by the parent as well.

From my parent perspective: I am overly kind and gracious to the people helping my child because I know they have to deal with others who are always on the attack and ready to fight. Kindness and understanding is ultimately more powerful. I’ve also had to remind a teacher to provide services in my child’s IEP. Asking with kindness got me the same result the PP’s full-force attack got, and I’m guessing I got it quicker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Legally, if everyone got an extra 2 weeks, a student with +50% accommodation gets an extra 3 weeks.

It isn't up to the teacher or any parents on this board to substitute their own judgement about what is or isn't appropriate or whether providing the accommodation is or isn't helpful to the student. The legally required IEP team met and decided what is appropriate in terms of extra time and all teachers, regardless of their personal opinions, are required to implement the IEP. If a teacher can make their own rules about when accommodations can be used, that completely undermines the statutory requirements of IDEA.

I would respond in writing to the teacher, with a cc to the principal explaining the above and restating what actions need to happen (acceptance of the assignment?) to bring the teacher back into compliance with the IEP.

Then I would take my reply and forward it to the principal and the associate superintendent of education, with a CC to the teacher, share and ask the principal and the associate superintendent of education to provide support to the teacher to help her "come into compliance with my son's IEP accommodations by doing X,Y,Z, so that I do not have to resort to my due process options"

I have found that supervisory special education staff are very quick to respond to opportunities to fix legal non-compliance, and, once provided appropriate direction from supervisors, the non-compliant teacher often becomes compliant moving forward in the future without continuous prompting by parent or student.

It depends on the circumstances of the extra two weeks, per our RTSE and her boss.


If the teacher got to the standard due date and realized all students would benefit from more time, then yes, Larlo gets one more week.

If something came up and for a reason other than student completion, submission was delayed, he does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Extended time is different than extended deadlines. Extended time refers to timed, in-class assignments. If this writing assignment took place entirely during class periods, then an extended time accommodation applies (e.g, five 45 minute sessions would be 7.5 45 minute sessions). However, if this was a homework assignment with a due date, the relevant accommodation would be extended deadlines (e.g., 2 weeks would be three weeks).

Was this writing assignment in or out of class?

This is what I’m wondering, as well. My kid receives extended time on timed assignments. She doesn’t receive extended deadlines on work that is done outside of class. I’m not even sure I’d want her to have that since it would encourage procrastination.

+2 Applying extended time to assignment deadlines is considered settled doctrine here on the SN Forum, but for students with ADHD, there are risks (that many here don't like talking about).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grade ASD/ADHD DD is in FCPS and has an extended time accommodation for assignments and assessments in his IEP of 50%. He had a writing assignment that he could not complete and his English teacher would not give him extended time claiming that all students had an extra two weeks. Is this a valid use of extended time? She cc'd the principal in her response. This does not sound right to me but I am not an educator. Please advise of us of our rights

No, this student should get extended time past the regular deadline. The teacher changed the deadline for all students to a new regular deadline, meaning that the student with the accommodations gets an extension beyond that per his IEP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grade ASD/ADHD DD is in FCPS and has an extended time accommodation for assignments and assessments in his IEP of 50%. He had a writing assignment that he could not complete and his English teacher would not give him extended time claiming that all students had an extra two weeks. Is this a valid use of extended time? She cc'd the principal in her response. This does not sound right to me but I am not an educator. Please advise of us of our rights

No, this student should get extended time past the regular deadline. The teacher changed the deadline for all students to a new regular deadline, meaning that the student with the accommodations gets an extension beyond that per his IEP.

It is stuff like this that makes many people roll their eyes at IEP accommodations. If a student cannot get an assignment done in 2 weeks, excluding large projects or a long writing paper, and now wants an extra long deadline, it starts getting ridiculous. Many students, not all, take full advantage of overly lax special education laws

[Anonymous]

So OP, what was it?

Extended time or extended submission deadlines?

(I am a pp. My student had extended time on in-class exams and quizzes or online during covid, but not out of class extensions on assignments)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So OP, what was it?

Extended time or extended submission deadlines?

(I am a pp. My student had extended time on in-class exams and quizzes or online during covid, but not out of class extensions on assignments)

I’d be interested in an update, as well. My child also gets extended time on in-class exams, but not extended deadlines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Extended time is different than extended deadlines. Extended time refers to timed, in-class assignments. If this writing assignment took place entirely during class periods, then an extended time accommodation applies (e.g, five 45 minute sessions would be 7.5 45 minute sessions). However, if this was a homework assignment with a due date, the relevant accommodation would be extended deadlines (e.g., 2 weeks would be three weeks).

Was this writing assignment in or out of class?

This is what I’m wondering, as well. My kid receives extended time on timed assignments. She doesn’t receive extended deadlines on work that is done outside of class. I’m not even sure I’d want her to have that since it would encourage procrastination.

+2 Applying extended time to assignment deadlines is considered settled doctrine here on the SN Forum, but for students with ADHD, there are risks (that many here don't like talking about).

The risk is for the student and parent to manage, not the teacher. It is settled doctrine that the school staff must comply with the IEP as written - extra time is for all assignments and thus must impact deadlines. If the student or parent wants the assignment done before the deadline, that is their choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grade ASD/ADHD DD is in FCPS and has an extended time accommodation for assignments and assessments in his IEP of 50%. He had a writing assignment that he could not complete and his English teacher would not give him extended time claiming that all students had an extra two weeks. Is this a valid use of extended time? She cc'd the principal in her response. This does not sound right to me but I am not an educator. Please advise of us of our rights

No, this student should get extended time past the regular deadline. The teacher changed the deadline for all students to a new regular deadline, meaning that the student with the accommodations gets an extension beyond that per his IEP.

It is stuff like this that makes many people roll their eyes at IEP accommodations. If a student cannot get an assignment done in 2 weeks, excluding large projects or a long writing paper, and now wants an extra long deadline, it starts getting ridiculous. Many students, not all, take full advantage of overly lax special education laws

It’s really not for you to judge “when it starts to get ridiculous”. You have no idea hate the student’s capabilities and other obligations are.

As an example, my DC had a concussion with long term cognitive symptoms. It really didn’t matter how long she needed to do things or how many breaks. What mattered was whether she could show that she learned Algebra. “taking advantage of overly lax special education laws” is what allowed her to manage her work in a way that her brain could recover and kept her in the same grade without having to fail or dropout of class or fall behind to a lower grade, which would have caused other serious problems. It took several years to recover fully, which she was only able to do with the help of those “lax special education laws”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grade ASD/ADHD DD is in FCPS and has an extended time accommodation for assignments and assessments in his IEP of 50%. He had a writing assignment that he could not complete and his English teacher would not give him extended time claiming that all students had an extra two weeks. Is this a valid use of extended time? She cc'd the principal in her response. This does not sound right to me but I am not an educator. Please advise of us of our rights

No, this student should get extended time past the regular deadline. The teacher changed the deadline for all students to a new regular deadline, meaning that the student with the accommodations gets an extension beyond that per his IEP.

It is stuff like this that makes many people roll their eyes at IEP accommodations. If a student cannot get an assignment done in 2 weeks, excluding large projects or a long writing paper, and now wants an extra long deadline, it starts getting ridiculous. Many students, not all, take full advantage of overly lax special education laws

you don't belong on this forum, move on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Extended time is different than extended deadlines. Extended time refers to timed, in-class assignments. If this writing assignment took place entirely during class periods, then an extended time accommodation applies (e.g, five 45 minute sessions would be 7.5 45 minute sessions). However, if this was a homework assignment with a due date, the relevant accommodation would be extended deadlines (e.g., 2 weeks would be three weeks).

Was this writing assignment in or out of class?

This is what I’m wondering, as well. My kid receives extended time on timed assignments. She doesn’t receive extended deadlines on work that is done outside of class. I’m not even sure I’d want her to have that since it would encourage procrastination.

+2 Applying extended time to assignment deadlines is considered settled doctrine here on the SN Forum, but for students with ADHD, there are risks (that many here don't like talking about).

The risk is for the student and parent to manage, not the teacher. It is settled doctrine that the school staff must comply with the IEP as written - extra time is for all assignments and thus must impact deadlines. If the student or parent wants the assignment done before the deadline, that is their choice.

exactly, if the IEP team determined this is an appropriate accommodation, then the student should get it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Extended time is different than extended deadlines. Extended time refers to timed, in-class assignments. If this writing assignment took place entirely during class periods, then an extended time accommodation applies (e.g, five 45 minute sessions would be 7.5 45 minute sessions). However, if this was a homework assignment with a due date, the relevant accommodation would be extended deadlines (e.g., 2 weeks would be three weeks).

Was this writing assignment in or out of class?

This is what I’m wondering, as well. My kid receives extended time on timed assignments. She doesn’t receive extended deadlines on work that is done outside of class. I’m not even sure I’d want her to have that since it would encourage procrastination.

+2 Applying extended time to assignment deadlines is considered settled doctrine here on the SN Forum, but for students with ADHD, there are risks (that many here don't like talking about).

The risk is for the student and parent to manage, not the teacher. It is settled doctrine that the school staff must comply with the IEP as written - extra time is for all assignments and thus must impact deadlines. If the student or parent wants the assignment done before the deadline, that is their choice.

PP's concern was procrastination. For students with ADHD this is a valid concern. I agree the student and parent can bear much of the risk, but I disagree the teacher has no role to play. For any IEP that grants extended deadlines, school-based EF supports can and should be added to the supplementary aids, services, program modifications and supports. If you disagree with me or have research to show otherwise, I'd love to hear why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Extended time is different than extended deadlines. Extended time refers to timed, in-class assignments. If this writing assignment took place entirely during class periods, then an extended time accommodation applies (e.g, five 45 minute sessions would be 7.5 45 minute sessions). However, if this was a homework assignment with a due date, the relevant accommodation would be extended deadlines (e.g., 2 weeks would be three weeks).

Was this writing assignment in or out of class?

This is what I’m wondering, as well. My kid receives extended time on timed assignments. She doesn’t receive extended deadlines on work that is done outside of class. I’m not even sure I’d want her to have that since it would encourage procrastination.

+2 Applying extended time to assignment deadlines is considered settled doctrine here on the SN Forum, but for students with ADHD, there are risks (that many here don't like talking about).

The risk is for the student and parent to manage, not the teacher. It is settled doctrine that the school staff must comply with the IEP as written - extra time is for all assignments and thus must impact deadlines. If the student or parent wants the assignment done before the deadline, that is their choice.

PP's concern was procrastination. For students with ADHD this is a valid concern. I agree the student and parent can bear much of the risk, but I disagree the teacher has no role to play. For any IEP that grants extended deadlines, school-based EF supports can and should be added to the supplementary aids, services, program modifications and supports. If you disagree with me or have research to show otherwise, I'd love to hear why.

That’s the job of the parent, do your job!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Extended time is different than extended deadlines. Extended time refers to timed, in-class assignments. If this writing assignment took place entirely during class periods, then an extended time accommodation applies (e.g, five 45 minute sessions would be 7.5 45 minute sessions). However, if this was a homework assignment with a due date, the relevant accommodation would be extended deadlines (e.g., 2 weeks would be three weeks).

Was this writing assignment in or out of class?

This is what I’m wondering, as well. My kid receives extended time on timed assignments. She doesn’t receive extended deadlines on work that is done outside of class. I’m not even sure I’d want her to have that since it would encourage procrastination.

+2 Applying extended time to assignment deadlines is considered settled doctrine here on the SN Forum, but for students with ADHD, there are risks (that many here don't like talking about).

The risk is for the student and parent to manage, not the teacher. It is settled doctrine that the school staff must comply with the IEP as written - extra time is for all assignments and thus must impact deadlines. If the student or parent wants the assignment done before the deadline, that is their choice.

PP's concern was procrastination. For students with ADHD this is a valid concern. I agree the student and parent can bear much of the risk, but I disagree the teacher has no role to play. For any IEP that grants extended deadlines, school-based EF supports can and should be added to the supplementary aids, services, program modifications and supports. If you disagree with me or have research to show otherwise, I'd love to hear why.

Love how you think that schools have a limitless supply of resources

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grade ASD/ADHD DD is in FCPS and has an extended time accommodation for assignments and assessments in his IEP of 50%. He had a writing assignment that he could not complete and his English teacher would not give him extended time claiming that all students had an extra two weeks. Is this a valid use of extended time? She cc'd the principal in her response. This does not sound right to me but I am not an educator. Please advise of us of our rights

No, this student should get extended time past the regular deadline. The teacher changed the deadline for all students to a new regular deadline, meaning that the student with the accommodations gets an extension beyond that per his IEP.

It is stuff like this that makes many people roll their eyes at IEP accommodations. If a student cannot get an assignment done in 2 weeks, excluding large projects or a long writing paper, and now wants an extra long deadline, it starts getting ridiculous. Many students, not all, take full advantage of overly lax special education laws

you don't belong on this forum, move on

Just because you don’t like this answer doesn’t mean it isn’t valid