Regional Model: Another BIBO Effort in Disguise

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Anonymous wrote:It's a mistake to think that equal number of students from any one school will go out as the same number that comes in.

Some programs will be more desirable than others, which may cause capacity issues.

They should model it so that there are no capacity issues if NO students choose to go to another school.

You could assume Wootton and Churchill would definitely get 520 out of boundary students while Rockville may not.

Everyone will choose whatever option Whitman offers.. sanitation engineering...yup huge interest.

There are people on this board claiming that they would go to Whitman “over their dead bodies” bc that seems like a rational stance.

I didn't see that specific phrase but yes there are families that don't have a desire to send their kids to Whitman. It's not anymore irrational than kids from Whitman not wanting to travel to Blair. Their home schools are fine and they want their kid to stay in their community, which is a fine community. Also the commute to Whitman would be really long. I personally may very well inherit a house zoned for Whitman (God willing, not anytime soon). My kid is in early elementary, zoned for Einstein, and at this time I don't anticipate we would choose to move to that house and separate my kid from their friends and community. That being said, maybe things will change, and I certainly don't speak for everyone in my neighborhood and certainly not everyone zoned for Einstein.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a mistake to think that equal number of students from any one school will go out as the same number that comes in.

Some programs will be more desirable than others, which may cause capacity issues.

They should model it so that there are no capacity issues if NO students choose to go to another school.

You could assume Wootton and Churchill would definitely get 520 out of boundary students while Rockville may not.

Everyone will choose whatever option Whitman offers.. sanitation engineering...yup huge interest.

Not everyone, but yes I have no doubt there will be a decent number of kids that suddenly develop an interest in studying a less common foreign language.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, thank you. I thought the new programs would all be smaller than the current magnets. Blair is 440, for example.

The goal is expansion.

You mean expansion of the magnet program to inform development of new STEM programs in other regions.

[Anonymous]

So this is just consortiums for all? But with less busing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this is just consortiums for all? But with less busing?

Yes.

I have a huge problem with including the wealthy schools in this. The DCC is bad enough and has been awful for Kennedy. Allowing kids from the DCC to go to BCC, Whitman, WJ and Woodward is going to supercharge segregation. And I'm really surprised they are considering this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

Do you have a point? Yes, kids need to be bussed to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

1) do you have a link for the slides or data you are looking at?
2) aren’t the new magnets supposed to be smaller than the current ones?
3). If it is 520 for out of bounds kids there would still be more in the magnet that are inbounds. Like 600 kids in the magnet.
4) The Blair magnet is smaller at 440 and RMIB is 475, and the idea for those is fewer classes (eg fewer kids). Those are the largest magnets by far.
5) there are no new resources so how are they supposed to have more magnet spots? I guess they are trying to utilize the school’s existing resources but this seems a stretch.

Go to slide 88

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DMJHXR4AA9BD/$file/Boundary%20Studies%20Program%20Analysis%20Update%20251016%20PPT%20REV.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

Even that’s the case, 520 students need a lot more buses to accommodate. One bus can transport around 50.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

Do you have a point? Yes, kids need to be bussed to school.

It has no point to probusers because it’s their goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

That seems WAY off then, as Google tells me that 48-72 kids fit on a school bus! Unless that's just because that's the "Year 1" budget, where the programs will only be serving 9th graders?
I think the BoE should probably have the "Year 4" budget before considering this proposal!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

That seems WAY off then, as Google tells me that 48-72 kids fit on a school bus! Unless that's just because that's the "Year 1" budget, where the programs will only be serving 9th graders?
I think the BoE should probably have the "Year 4" budget before considering this proposal!

Yes, year one budget is just for 9th graders. Also, honestly, if they're only going to offer busing if you get yourself to your local HS on your own really early in the morning, I can't imagine many kids are going to actually take them up on that, so maybe they just assume everyone will drive?

But yeah, we really need to demand clear answers on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

Even that’s the case, 520 students need a lot more buses to accommodate. One bus can transport around 50.

Well year one of the new programs is only freshman, so one bus from each high school should fit everyone. The idea that they think an equal number of kids will leave each high school makes no sense since that is not at all what it looks like currently (for example Rockville currently sends 37 kids to criterion programs and Wootton sends 202). Unless they plan to only accept a certain number of students from each school to force the numbers to be even. Which I guess would be equality though certainly not equity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

Even that’s the case, 520 students need a lot more buses to accommodate. One bus can transport around 50.

Well year one of the new programs is only freshman, so one bus from each high school should fit everyone. The idea that they think an equal number of kids will leave each high school makes no sense since that is not at all what it looks like currently (for example Rockville currently sends 37 kids to criterion programs and Wootton sends 202). Unless they plan to only accept a certain number of students from each school to force the numbers to be even. Which I guess would be equality though certainly not equity.

135 students need more than 2 buses per school per year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data for the examples provided for Region 4, each school gets about 135 magnet seats filled by students who are not local. That means roughly 520 students per school come from outside the attendance area.

In other words, one-quarter to one-third of all students at each high school are bused in from other parts of the region. That’s a massive amount of “bus in, bus out” activity. Interestingly the report says it results in only one net bus per year per school?

I have heard that the one extra bus per school is because kids will have to get to their local high school on their own to catch a bus to the other school they're attending. And then I guess that one bus will stop at all the other high schools in the region one by one, so kids will probably have to get to their local HS very early to catch the buses in many cases.

Would be good to get MCPS to confirm this at one of these info sessions...

That seems WAY off then, as Google tells me that 48-72 kids fit on a school bus! Unless that's just because that's the "Year 1" budget, where the programs will only be serving 9th graders?
I think the BoE should probably have the "Year 4" budget before considering this proposal!

I think there is also some magical thinking where they're like "this will decrease busing needs to the home school so it's only one extra!" But is it really going to decrease the buses needed at the home schools that much?