Elite law and Big law

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where do you think the Yale, Harvard and Stanford grads go after their clerkships? Elite govt jobs are mostly a nonstarter right now, and there are only so many academic positions. Most end up in BigLaw or comparable boutiques.

Not true at DOJ, specifically OLC and not true White House general counsel’s office. Those have been, and continue to be “the elite law govt jobs”, as you put it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

And you’d be wrong. Just as you’re wrong to suggest that Fordham Law grads are somehow getting different jobs in the same firms as Columbia Law grads—not only in NYC but everywhere for that matter. They’re landing associate jobs, not “contract worker” jobs or whatever bullshit you’re going on about. As is apparently on this very thread, I’m not the only one contradicting you either.

[Anonymous]

PP here. Just to follow up, the readily available ABA-mandated employment report for Fordham shows that nearly half of 2024 graduates landed job in firms with more than 500 lawyers—in other words, BIG LAW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antonin Scalia Law School at GMU is where all the Federalist and MAGA actions are these days. Some fairly recent JD grads with the right connections have placed extremely well in current administration.

Current administration maybe.

False. GMU has been doing very well with federal clerkships for the past ten years. It has snagged five SCOTUS clerkships, only one of which could be said recent Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antonin Scalia Law School at GMU is where all the Federalist and MAGA actions are these days. Some fairly recent JD grads with the right connections have placed extremely well in current administration.

Current administration maybe.

False. GMU has been doing very well with federal clerkships for the past ten years. It has snagged five SCOTUS clerkships, only one of which could be said recent Trump.

Meh. Notre Dame has done much better. It has two this alone, which isn’t the first time, and neither is clerking for Coney Barrett.

[Anonymous]

Sorry — this YEAR alone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antonin Scalia Law School at GMU is where all the Federalist and MAGA actions are these days. Some fairly recent JD grads with the right connections have placed extremely well in current administration.

Current administration maybe.

False. GMU has been doing very well with federal clerkships for the past ten years. It has snagged five SCOTUS clerkships, only one of which could be said recent Trump.

+1. Even in 2023, (not Trumpers), GMU was recognized as a big federal to federal clerkships. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/these-law-schools-dominated-federal-clerk-hiring-market-2023-2024-04-25/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

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lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

I’m the one this idiot/snob says never worked in Biglaw but now I think I get what he’s saying—that he “thinks” that the Fordham grads that the big New York firms are hiring along with the Columbia grads are getting shittier assignments from the get go. Or something like that. And he has zero way of knowing that or ever proving it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

I’m the one this idiot/snob says never worked in Biglaw but now I think I get what he’s saying—that he “thinks” that the Fordham grads that the big New York firms are hiring along with the Columbia grads are getting shittier assignments from the get go. Or something like that. And he has zero way of knowing that or ever proving it.

Hi Fordham grad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antonin Scalia Law School at GMU is where all the Federalist and MAGA actions are these days. Some fairly recent JD grads with the right connections have placed extremely well in current administration.

Current administration maybe.

False. GMU has been doing very well with federal clerkships for the past ten years. It has snagged five SCOTUS clerkships, only one of which could be said recent Trump.

+1. Even in 2023, (not Trumpers), GMU was recognized as a big federal to federal clerkships. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/these-law-schools-dominated-federal-clerk-hiring-market-2023-2024-04-25/

Just so we’re clear, when you say 5 you mean 5 EVER, which is nice but nothing worth throwing a party over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

I’m the one this idiot/snob says never worked in Biglaw but now I think I get what he’s saying—that he “thinks” that the Fordham grads that the big New York firms are hiring along with the Columbia grads are getting shittier assignments from the get go. Or something like that. And he has zero way of knowing that or ever proving it.

Hi Fordham grad

Hardly. I couldn’t even find it on a map. But let’s be serious—it’s a highly regarded law school that has long punched above its weight in NYC and everybody with an ounce of knowledge of how law schools go knows this. You’re just all so damned snobby and pull shit straight out of your asses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

Right? You can still charge a high hourly rate for "contract review." This is what transactional work is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

Right? You can still charge a high hourly rate for "contract review." This is what transactional work is.

DP but actually the snide biglaw people are wrong here. “Contract reviewer” is a common euphemism for doc review monkey. You guys don’t know bc you’ve *only* done biglaw.