Have Christians thought about Heaven and Hell being very crowded?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Think of all the people who have died over the centuries. If Christianity is true and they’ve all gone to one place or the other, it must be very crowded there by now. Is there anything in the Bible about heaven getting full?

Given maga hell will be more crowded

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;—Rev. 7:9

Note (to racists) the part of “all kindreds”: every race and color of humans shall be there.

I like to think of heaven as similar to the Tardis in Doctor Who. There will be plenty of room, the more the merrier!

You can be there too:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.—Mark 16:15

Notice you believe first THEN you are baptized. Being baptized as a baby does not count because a baby cannot confess Jesus and is unable to believe at such a young age.

If you want to get into a debate on believer's baptism v. infant baptism you should start a new thread. If it weren't way more complex than what you just posted there wouldn't be longstanding collegial (and sometimes not so collegial, given the way Anabaptists were persecuted) disagreement in the church.

There would be no point in starting such a thread. If after hundreds of years the Catholic church in its pride and arrogance still peddles this belief of infant baptism, as it does selling indulgences, and the best theologians from both Protestant and Catholic are still arguing the issue, neither of us will produce The Magic Bullet to settle the issue once and for all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;—Rev. 7:9

Note (to racists) the part of “all kindreds”: every race and color of humans shall be there.

I like to think of heaven as similar to the Tardis in Doctor Who. There will be plenty of room, the more the merrier!

You can be there too:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.—Mark 16:15

Notice you believe first THEN you are baptized. Being baptized as a baby does not count because a baby cannot confess Jesus and is unable to believe at such a young age.

I was taught, many years ago, that Catholics had infant baptism to protect the babies, in case they died before their 1st holy communion. Baptizing them assured they would go to heaven, instead of to Limbo.

If you want to get into a debate on believer's baptism v. infant baptism you should start a new thread. If it weren't way more complex than what you just posted there wouldn't be longstanding collegial (and sometimes not so collegial, given the way Anabaptists were persecuted) disagreement in the church.

There would be no point in starting such a thread. If after hundreds of years the Catholic church in its pride and arrogance still peddles this belief of infant baptism, as it does selling indulgences, and the best theologians from both Protestant and Catholic are still arguing the issue, neither of us will produce The Magic Bullet to settle the issue once and for all.

[Anonymous]

Lol.

We are constrained by the physical here.

Not there.

[Anonymous]

I mean ... the observable universe is more than big enough. Why wouldn't heaven be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol.

We are constrained by the physical here.

Not there.

good point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol.

We are constrained by the physical here.

Not there.

Are you so sure? Jesus' resurrected body was physical even if the laws of our current physical space didn't fully apply (walking through walls). God made us spiritual and physical beings. He clearly values the physical. I think there will still be physical constraints and have heard pretty smart people say the same. One of my professors at a Christian college used to argue that we'd miss people in heaven because they'd be far away and that would (somehow in his mind) be a good thing because it would be more about the anticipation of traveling to see them than about the sadness of currently not seeing them since we'd no longer have finite time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;—Rev. 7:9

Note (to racists) the part of “all kindreds”: every race and color of humans shall be there.

I like to think of heaven as similar to the Tardis in Doctor Who. There will be plenty of room, the more the merrier!

You can be there too:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.—Mark 16:15

Notice you believe first THEN you are baptized. Being baptized as a baby does not count because a baby cannot confess Jesus and is unable to believe at such a young age.

What if Mark was wrong and we all go to the same place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;—Rev. 7:9

Note (to racists) the part of “all kindreds”: every race and color of humans shall be there.

I like to think of heaven as similar to the Tardis in Doctor Who. There will be plenty of room, the more the merrier!

You can be there too:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.—Mark 16:15

Notice you believe first THEN you are baptized. Being baptized as a baby does not count because a baby cannot confess Jesus and is unable to believe at such a young age.

Notice you believe first THEN you are baptized This is true only for adult converts. But for the dependents of adult converts, Peter baptized the whole household, with the reasonable presumption that that included the children. Baptism is the sign of the new covenant, similar to how circumcision was the sign of the old covenant (Col. 2:11-12). Under the old covenant, circumcision was applied after profession of faith in converting adults, but then they in turn applied it to their (male) babies. Romans 4:10-11 discusses this with regard to Abraham: He believed first, then afterward received circumcision as a "sign" and "seal" of the righteous he had by faith while still uncircumcised. Nevertheless, he applied this sign to his children. In fact, applying the covenant sign to your children was to be done on pain of death, apparently, as Moses was nearly struck dead for neglecting to circumcise his children, but was saved by the intervention of his wife Zipporah.

a baby cannot confess Jesus and is unable to believe at such a young age Not true. John the Baptist leapt in the womb at being in the near presence of Christ (Luke 1). Paul further clarifies that the children of believers are "holy" (1 Cor. 7:14).

[Anonymous]

Have you seen the size of the Universe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have Christians thought-

Let me stop you right there. The answer is no.

eh of course they have. They've thought and made up tons of garbage since early days. Besides the detailed description of hell (and there are levels! And here's what happens in each one!) made up by ... I'm not sure what they were on... good medieval drugs? Creative writing points all around right there.

There's also the made up types of angels and angel names. This cracks me up every time. It's what you'd do with your friends in your clubhouse as a kid, making up "lore" and "canon" for some fantasy world:

1 Chayot Ha Kodesh/Chayot[6] See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
2 5 2 9 2 Ophanim See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
3 2 10 1 5 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 6 7 5 7 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 3 1 10 3 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 1 8 4 9 Malakhim/Malakim Messengers, angels
7 8 N/A N/A N/A Elohim "Godly beings", Divine beings who were not the Supreme God
8 9 9 3 N/A Bene Elohim "Sons of God"
9 N/A 3 8 4 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 10 6 2 10 Ishim "manlike beings" see Genesis 18:2 Daniel 10:5
N/A 7 N/A N/A 8 Elim 2 Corinthians 13:3
N/A N/A 4 7 N/A Shinanim 3 Enoch
N/A N/A 5 6 6 Tarshishim

Those are just the ones from Judaism. Christiany borrowed from that and other religions and sects too I'm sure. It's silly.

Did you just say Christianity borrowed Judaism? That might be the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard about religion in my life. I’m dying with laughter! Thanks!

No, pp said that some Christian views of Heaven come from Judaism, and other religions, too. Sounds plausible to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's big though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have Christians thought-

Let me stop you right there. The answer is no.

eh of course they have. They've thought and made up tons of garbage since early days. Besides the detailed description of hell (and there are levels! And here's what happens in each one!) made up by ... I'm not sure what they were on... good medieval drugs? Creative writing points all around right there.

There's also the made up types of angels and angel names. This cracks me up every time. It's what you'd do with your friends in your clubhouse as a kid, making up "lore" and "canon" for some fantasy world:

1 Chayot Ha Kodesh/Chayot[6] See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
2 5 2 9 2 Ophanim See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
3 2 10 1 5 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 6 7 5 7 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 3 1 10 3 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 1 8 4 9 Malakhim/Malakim Messengers, angels
7 8 N/A N/A N/A Elohim "Godly beings", Divine beings who were not the Supreme God
8 9 9 3 N/A Bene Elohim "Sons of God"
9 N/A 3 8 4 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 10 6 2 10 Ishim "manlike beings" see Genesis 18:2 Daniel 10:5
N/A 7 N/A N/A 8 Elim 2 Corinthians 13:3
N/A N/A 4 7 N/A Shinanim 3 Enoch
N/A N/A 5 6 6 Tarshishim

Those are just the ones from Judaism. Christiany borrowed from that and other religions and sects too I'm sure. It's silly.

Did you just say Christianity borrowed Judaism? That might be the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard about religion in my life. I’m dying with laughter! Thanks!

It gets funnier. The Creation story might be a Babylonian creation myth with a water dragon.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/flqtze/the_bible_stoleborrowed_the_babylonian_creation/#:~:text=Tiamat%20%3D%20The%20primordial%20chaos%20in,deep'%20or%20'darkness'.

I enjoyed telling that to a fundie in my college accounting class who tried to proselytize me because I said a swear word when I dropped something.

[Anonymous]

What? Your BODY doesn't go there. Its a figure of speech about where your soul resides. The "space" is limitless and timeless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have Christians thought-

Let me stop you right there. The answer is no.

eh of course they have. They've thought and made up tons of garbage since early days. Besides the detailed description of hell (and there are levels! And here's what happens in each one!) made up by ... I'm not sure what they were on... good medieval drugs? Creative writing points all around right there.

There's also the made up types of angels and angel names. This cracks me up every time. It's what you'd do with your friends in your clubhouse as a kid, making up "lore" and "canon" for some fantasy world:

1 Chayot Ha Kodesh/Chayot[6] See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
2 5 2 9 2 Ophanim See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
3 2 10 1 5 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 6 7 5 7 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 3 1 10 3 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 1 8 4 9 Malakhim/Malakim Messengers, angels
7 8 N/A N/A N/A Elohim "Godly beings", Divine beings who were not the Supreme God
8 9 9 3 N/A Bene Elohim "Sons of God"
9 N/A 3 8 4 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 10 6 2 10 Ishim "manlike beings" see Genesis 18:2 Daniel 10:5
N/A 7 N/A N/A 8 Elim 2 Corinthians 13:3
N/A N/A 4 7 N/A Shinanim 3 Enoch
N/A N/A 5 6 6 Tarshishim

Those are just the ones from Judaism. Christiany borrowed from that and other religions and sects too I'm sure. It's silly.

Did you just say Christianity borrowed Judaism? That might be the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard about religion in my life. I’m dying with laughter! Thanks!

It gets funnier. The Creation story might be a Babylonian creation myth with a water dragon.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/flqtze/the_bible_stoleborrowed_the_babylonian_creation/#:~:text=Tiamat%20%3D%20The%20primordial%20chaos%20in,deep'%20or%20'darkness'.

I enjoyed telling that to a fundie in my college accounting class who tried to proselytize me because I said a swear word when I dropped something.

If you believe the part of Genesis where Abram was a Chaldean (a group intertwined with the Babylonians) is it really so confusing that the cultures would have intertwined stories?

Or, stay with me here, the Babylonian creation myth might have been someone remembering a common story that was told because it was based on what really happened. If you're going to believe parts of Genesis, just go whole hog here.