Entering student number on MCPS survey

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

I understand your larger point in theory, BUT:

My MCPS kids are 20 and 15. I can assure you that no one I know, kids or parents, is afraid of saying truths about MCPS to its face Everyone is very outspoken, and no retaliation has ever occurred.

First, as a PP said, MCPS is not technically built to trawl around singling out people it doesn't like for retribution - this isn't the Trump White House and Project 2025. MCPS can barely hold itself together as it is.

Second, MCPS is used to endless criticism. Central Office gets attacked on the daily, by staff, students, Principals, parents, elected officials, real estate developers (because of capital planning), EVERYONE. Principals get eviscerated by parents in person at PTA meetings and on listserves where people need to sign their names and include the names of their children - I know, I've done that myself! One of my children has special needs: do you know how often I've advocated for them, and their special program, and said what needed to be said in countless surveys, IEP meetings, the parent association that advocates for this particular type of SN, and PTA meetings?!?! I have dealt with no fewer than SEVEN Principals in my kids' trajectory through various MCPS schools.

This thread is perpetuating harmful myths that speaking up will bring personal retribution to your child. It's not true.

As someone who has personally retaliated against by MCPS so speaking out, advocating and confronting them, I don't know what to tell you.

We just have different lived experiences. Maybe your experience with MCPS isn't universal? That might have something to do with your race, socioeconomic status and gender.

+1
MCPS has a documented culture of retaliation. Anyone that read the coverage of the Beidleman scandal would know this. Even after McKnight was out people were threatening the BOE members that voted to push her. Do you really think this stops with the BOe or with staff?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

I understand your larger point in theory, BUT:

My MCPS kids are 20 and 15. I can assure you that no one I know, kids or parents, is afraid of saying truths about MCPS to its face Everyone is very outspoken, and no retaliation has ever occurred.

First, as a PP said, MCPS is not technically built to trawl around singling out people it doesn't like for retribution - this isn't the Trump White House and Project 2025. MCPS can barely hold itself together as it is.

Second, MCPS is used to endless criticism. Central Office gets attacked on the daily, by staff, students, Principals, parents, elected officials, real estate developers (because of capital planning), EVERYONE. Principals get eviscerated by parents in person at PTA meetings and on listserves where people need to sign their names and include the names of their children - I know, I've done that myself! One of my children has special needs: do you know how often I've advocated for them, and their special program, and said what needed to be said in countless surveys, IEP meetings, the parent association that advocates for this particular type of SN, and PTA meetings?!?! I have dealt with no fewer than SEVEN Principals in my kids' trajectory through various MCPS schools.

This thread is perpetuating harmful myths that speaking up will bring personal retribution to your child. It's not true.

As someone who has personally retaliated against by MCPS so speaking out, advocating and confronting them, I don't know what to tell you.

We just have different lived experiences. Maybe your experience with MCPS isn't universal? That might have something to do with your race, socioeconomic status and gender.

PP you replied to. I'm a petite, Asian-looking female with kids in W schools. Soft-spoken, but direct. I've received the most support from African-American Central Office directors and Principals, as it happens, and I'm perfectly prepared to acknowledge that this is a coincidence.

I agree that neither of our experiences is universal, but I really want to push back against this perceived threat of retaliation. If you don't speak out because you're afraid of speaking out, that's a vicious cycle and never bodes well in any country, for any local or central governance issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

I understand your larger point in theory, BUT:

My MCPS kids are 20 and 15. I can assure you that no one I know, kids or parents, is afraid of saying truths about MCPS to its face Everyone is very outspoken, and no retaliation has ever occurred.

First, as a PP said, MCPS is not technically built to trawl around singling out people it doesn't like for retribution - this isn't the Trump White House and Project 2025. MCPS can barely hold itself together as it is.

Second, MCPS is used to endless criticism. Central Office gets attacked on the daily, by staff, students, Principals, parents, elected officials, real estate developers (because of capital planning), EVERYONE. Principals get eviscerated by parents in person at PTA meetings and on listserves where people need to sign their names and include the names of their children - I know, I've done that myself! One of my children has special needs: do you know how often I've advocated for them, and their special program, and said what needed to be said in countless surveys, IEP meetings, the parent association that advocates for this particular type of SN, and PTA meetings?!?! I have dealt with no fewer than SEVEN Principals in my kids' trajectory through various MCPS schools.

This thread is perpetuating harmful myths that speaking up will bring personal retribution to your child. It's not true.

As someone who has personally retaliated against by MCPS so speaking out, advocating and confronting them, I don't know what to tell you.

We just have different lived experiences. Maybe your experience with MCPS isn't universal? That might have something to do with your race, socioeconomic status and gender.

PP you replied to. I'm a petite, Asian-looking female with kids in W schools. Soft-spoken, but direct. I've received the most support from African-American Central Office directors and Principals, as it happens, and I'm perfectly prepared to acknowledge that this is a coincidence.

I agree that neither of our experiences is universal, but I really want to push back against this perceived threat of retaliation. If you don't speak out because you're afraid of speaking out, that's a vicious cycle and never bodes well in any country, for any local or central governance issues.

Whoa, someone is telling you that they have been retaliated against and this is your response? Damn girl, you are cold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

I understand your larger point in theory, BUT:

My MCPS kids are 20 and 15. I can assure you that no one I know, kids or parents, is afraid of saying truths about MCPS to its face Everyone is very outspoken, and no retaliation has ever occurred.

First, as a PP said, MCPS is not technically built to trawl around singling out people it doesn't like for retribution - this isn't the Trump White House and Project 2025. MCPS can barely hold itself together as it is.

Second, MCPS is used to endless criticism. Central Office gets attacked on the daily, by staff, students, Principals, parents, elected officials, real estate developers (because of capital planning), EVERYONE. Principals get eviscerated by parents in person at PTA meetings and on listserves where people need to sign their names and include the names of their children - I know, I've done that myself! One of my children has special needs: do you know how often I've advocated for them, and their special program, and said what needed to be said in countless surveys, IEP meetings, the parent association that advocates for this particular type of SN, and PTA meetings?!?! I have dealt with no fewer than SEVEN Principals in my kids' trajectory through various MCPS schools.

This thread is perpetuating harmful myths that speaking up will bring personal retribution to your child. It's not true.

This 100%
It's a bunch of trolls who wanted to manipulate, influence the survey results, but now realized they cannot do that easily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

I understand your larger point in theory, BUT:

My MCPS kids are 20 and 15. I can assure you that no one I know, kids or parents, is afraid of saying truths about MCPS to its face Everyone is very outspoken, and no retaliation has ever occurred.

First, as a PP said, MCPS is not technically built to trawl around singling out people it doesn't like for retribution - this isn't the Trump White House and Project 2025. MCPS can barely hold itself together as it is.

Second, MCPS is used to endless criticism. Central Office gets attacked on the daily, by staff, students, Principals, parents, elected officials, real estate developers (because of capital planning), EVERYONE. Principals get eviscerated by parents in person at PTA meetings and on listserves where people need to sign their names and include the names of their children - I know, I've done that myself! One of my children has special needs: do you know how often I've advocated for them, and their special program, and said what needed to be said in countless surveys, IEP meetings, the parent association that advocates for this particular type of SN, and PTA meetings?!?! I have dealt with no fewer than SEVEN Principals in my kids' trajectory through various MCPS schools.

This thread is perpetuating harmful myths that speaking up will bring personal retribution to your child. It's not true.

As someone who has personally retaliated against by MCPS so speaking out, advocating and confronting them, I don't know what to tell you.

We just have different lived experiences. Maybe your experience with MCPS isn't universal? That might have something to do with your race, socioeconomic status and gender.

+1
MCPS has a documented culture of retaliation. Anyone that read the coverage of the Beidleman scandal would know this. Even after McKnight was out people were threatening the BOE members that voted to push her. Do you really think this stops with the BOe or with staff?

More fear mongering

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does MCPS not realize that their request to enter a student number on a parent survey is going to reduce responses by 50% ???

It's nothing new. They have done it for every survey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

You must be new or a troll. MCPS has always asked for student numbers when doing these surveys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

You must be new or a troll. MCPS has always asked for student numbers when doing these surveys.

DP

So they've always been terrible at administering the surveys they use as cover for their terrible policies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

You must be new or a troll. MCPS has always asked for student numbers when doing these surveys.

DP

So they've always been terrible at administering the surveys they use as cover for their terrible policies?

They don't always ask for student numbers. I got a poorly designed one about specialized high school programs a week ago, and it didn't ask for anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

You must be new or a troll. MCPS has always asked for student numbers when doing these surveys.

DP

So they've always been terrible at administering the surveys they use as cover for their terrible policies?

Yes, they are terrible for preventing trolls from filling the survey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

You must be new or a troll. MCPS has always asked for student numbers when doing these surveys.

DP

So they've always been terrible at administering the surveys they use as cover for their terrible policies?

They don't always ask for student numbers. I got a poorly designed one about specialized high school programs a week ago, and it didn't ask for anything.

Apples to oranges

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does MCPS not realize that their request to enter a student number on a parent survey is going to reduce responses by 50% ???

It's nothing new. They have done it for every survey.

Naw, you're gaslighting. They have never asked this before on parent surveys. They've tracked IP addresses before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is not genuinely interested in gathering the highest quality survey data.

You're joking, right?
This is how they will get the highest quality survey data by requiring students numbers.

If I have break down to you why requiring personal identifying information in a system like MCPS where mistrust and retaliation are high and how you would want to avoid that if you were prioritizing getting true sentiment of a statistically significant portion of the MCPS population, then you're not worth having the conversation with.

You must be new or a troll. MCPS has always asked for student numbers when doing these surveys.

DP

So they've always been terrible at administering the surveys they use as cover for their terrible policies?

Yes, they are terrible for preventing trolls from filling the survey.

Wow. They actually think these surveys are scientific? Wow.

[Anonymous]

I agree many if the surveys from MCPS are poorly designed and when they ask for student number, it makes me think twice about privacy, but I usually do it.
Here’s the thing- they are at least trying to ask for input, trying to ensure only mcps parents complete the survey and trying to ensure one voice is not dominating responses.
I’d be willing to bet most of these surveys are created by a teacher/instructional specialist who was asked to create something to get feedback from the community quickly, and that this person has many other responsibilities, little training in statistics or the technology and is doing their best with what they have.
What is your suggestion for collecting feedback? What would you trust? What would you be willing to spend school system dollars/time on? Truly curious… I’m having trouble thinking of solutions. I usually don’t think those that testify to the board are representative of most in the county- and definitely anyone afraid of retaliation won’t go this route, I don’t want phone surveys, I don’t trust my principal not to cherry pick what to share with the board, anytime I remember the county paying outside people to gather the data- it’s been crazy expensive and taken so long it’s hard to act on. So- while the poorly designed Google forms aren’t great, I try to give at least some input- especially where there is a place to write in an answer - in hopes that someone reads it and it may at least make them consider different points of view.

[Anonymous]

The survey should have a button for "I don't know my kid's ID number" that submits and ends the survey.

If you're can't quickly find your kid's ID number in the many software apps you need to use as a parent, you need basic training on how to be a parent in this school system. MCPS should start by counting how many parenta aren even using these apps from asix info about their kids' / schooling, and fix that.