W&L versus Amherst

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing LAC parents fight over selectivity is hilarious. No one applies to lacs and they are hardly known
-Princeton mom, actually selective.

Btw: your kid should go to W&L. She’s gonna like it a lot more.

PP again. Princeton is easier to get into than Amherst from DD’s school. Maybe the difference is that Amherst doesn’t take into account legacy status.

Terrible trolling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS’s friend there says most of the guys are politically conservative. I don’t view this as a problem at all but something anyone going there should understand.

So guys with a moral compass and who take personal responsibility? Sounds amazing compared to the strange toothpick shaped guys at the lacs our family has toured. Maybe my DD should apply

As I said, I don’t view it as a problem. The social scene seems a little 1950s but again, perhaps not a problem

[Anonymous]

Amherst is liberal -- perhaps very liberal. I think a student survey reported 94% of students supported Biden. W&L might have been the reverse. For a student interested in a political career, presumably with a genuine interest in politics, the differing environments on should be a very important factor.

Are you asking which she should apply to early decision next year? I can't imagine why, in January, you'd want a head-to-head decision between these two schools. Academically, any selective school should clear the bar on English, History, and Economics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The chances of getting into Amherst are minuscule. Hence, your DD is very unlikely to have the choice to decide between the two.

They’re both very selective. Getting into both is the difficulty.

At DD’s private school, the acceptance rate to W&L is over 50 percent. The average SAT score and GPA of the accepted candidates are below 1400 and 93, respectively. Nobody has been accepted to Amherst for years. (The stats of the accepted kids to Williams are 1500 and 97, respectively).

Another parent making up stats. They’re both very selective schools.

The above is from Scoir over the past five years. Not sure why you would think the stats are made up. Data don’t lie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The chances of getting into Amherst are minuscule. Hence, your DD is very unlikely to have the choice to decide between the two.

They’re both very selective. Getting into both is the difficulty.

At DD’s private school, the acceptance rate to W&L is over 50 percent. The average SAT score and GPA of the accepted candidates are below 1400 and 93, respectively. Nobody has been accepted to Amherst for years. (The stats of the accepted kids to Williams are 1500 and 97, respectively).

Doubt it.

With a 17% acceptance rate, W&L doesn't accept 50% of applicants from any given high school anywhere, especially in RD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seeing LAC parents fight over selectivity is hilarious. No one applies to lacs and they are hardly known
-Princeton mom, actually selective.

Btw: your kid should go to W&L. She’s gonna like it a lot more.

PP again. Princeton is easier to get into than Amherst from DD’s school. Maybe the difference is that Amherst doesn’t take into account legacy status.

Terrible trolling.

Funny that a statement based on data is taken as trolling.

I am a statistician by training and rely on data to update my views.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amherst is liberal -- perhaps very liberal. I think a student survey reported 94% of students supported Biden. W&L might have been the reverse. For a student interested in a political career, presumably with a genuine interest in politics, the differing environments on should be a very important factor.

Are you asking which she should apply to early decision next year? I can't imagine why, in January, you'd want a head-to-head decision between these two schools. Academically, any selective school should clear the bar on English, History, and Economics.

No liberal arts college is actually that conservative (unless it’s hillsdale). CMC and W&L are always brought up as super conservatives but it’s mostly because lac students are intolerant. For example, only 21% of CMC is conservative, but it’s branded as some trump factory. When liberals run a university, they try their hardest to stamp out minority voices; when conservatives run a university, they try to actually give any student who wants to speak a voice. Also, notice how rabid more conservative institutions are about alumni groups and resources; conservative alumni are much more giving and supportive of the college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The chances of getting into Amherst are minuscule. Hence, your DD is very unlikely to have the choice to decide between the two.

They’re both very selective. Getting into both is the difficulty.

At DD’s private school, the acceptance rate to W&L is over 50 percent. The average SAT score and GPA of the accepted candidates are below 1400 and 93, respectively. Nobody has been accepted to Amherst for years. (The stats of the accepted kids to Williams are 1500 and 97, respectively).

Doubt it.

With a 17% acceptance rate, W&L doesn't accept 50% of applicants from any given high school anywhere, especially in RD.

I cannot provide more detail without revealing the school. But I can assure you that the above are the actual numbers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst is liberal -- perhaps very liberal. I think a student survey reported 94% of students supported Biden. W&L might have been the reverse. For a student interested in a political career, presumably with a genuine interest in politics, the differing environments on should be a very important factor.

Are you asking which she should apply to early decision next year? I can't imagine why, in January, you'd want a head-to-head decision between these two schools. Academically, any selective school should clear the bar on English, History, and Economics.

No liberal arts college is actually that conservative (unless it’s hillsdale). CMC and W&L are always brought up as super conservatives but it’s mostly because lac students are intolerant. For example, only 21% of CMC is conservative, but it’s branded as some trump factory. When liberals run a university, they try their hardest to stamp out minority voices; when conservatives run a university, they try to actually give any student who wants to speak a voice. Also, notice how rabid more conservative institutions are about alumni groups and resources; conservative alumni are much more giving and supportive of the college.

I was certainly exaggerating to suggest the 92% of students at W&L supported Trump. Your argument about liberal college leaders is spurious in my view but beside the point either way. A student for whom politics is a prime motivator is unlikely to feel equally at home at these two schools. The alumni networks with DC connections (or state capital connections) are unlikely to be thick for conservative Amherst grads or liberal W&L grads.

For a student genuinely interest in politics as a career, a large state university is likely a better vocational call.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seeing LAC parents fight over selectivity is hilarious. No one applies to lacs and they are hardly known
-Princeton mom, actually selective.

Btw: your kid should go to W&L. She’s gonna like it a lot more.

PP again. Princeton is easier to get into than Amherst from DD’s school. Maybe the difference is that Amherst doesn’t take into account legacy status.

Terrible trolling.

Funny that a statement based on data is taken as trolling.

I am a statistician by training and rely on data to update my views.

Why did you present these credentials as if you did factor analysis on a sophisticated data set? All you did was tell us about naviance with no data points other than Williams for some reason. You didn’t present any stats for the 50% accepted to W&L, nor did you say how many people were in each group rejected/accepted. We have no confirmation that you’re not lying.

I can do the same thing:
At my school, there’s a higher acceptance rate to amherst than W&L. Someone got in with a 1430 in 2019.

I doubt that you’re a statistician. Most likely a SAHM who needs to take a walk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amherst is liberal -- perhaps very liberal. I think a student survey reported 94% of students supported Biden. W&L might have been the reverse. For a student interested in a political career, presumably with a genuine interest in politics, the differing environments on should be a very important factor.

Are you asking which she should apply to early decision next year? I can't imagine why, in January, you'd want a head-to-head decision between these two schools. Academically, any selective school should clear the bar on English, History, and Economics.

No liberal arts college is actually that conservative (unless it’s hillsdale). CMC and W&L are always brought up as super conservatives but it’s mostly because lac students are intolerant. For example, only 21% of CMC is conservative, but it’s branded as some trump factory. When liberals run a university, they try their hardest to stamp out minority voices; when conservatives run a university, they try to actually give any student who wants to speak a voice. Also, notice how rabid more conservative institutions are about alumni groups and resources; conservative alumni are much more giving and supportive of the college.

I was certainly exaggerating to suggest the 92% of students at W&L supported Trump. Your argument about liberal college leaders is spurious in my view but beside the point either way. A student for whom politics is a prime motivator is unlikely to feel equally at home at these two schools. The alumni networks with DC connections (or state capital connections) are unlikely to be thick for conservative Amherst grads or liberal W&L grads.

For a student genuinely interest in politics as a career, a large state university is likely a better vocational call.

A majority of W&L students are liberal. W&L grads work for pretty well known democrats in office.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amherst is liberal -- perhaps very liberal. I think a student survey reported 94% of students supported Biden. W&L might have been the reverse. For a student interested in a political career, presumably with a genuine interest in politics, the differing environments on should be a very important factor.

Are you asking which she should apply to early decision next year? I can't imagine why, in January, you'd want a head-to-head decision between these two schools. Academically, any selective school should clear the bar on English, History, and Economics.

No liberal arts college is actually that conservative (unless it’s hillsdale). CMC and W&L are always brought up as super conservatives but it’s mostly because lac students are intolerant. For example, only 21% of CMC is conservative, but it’s branded as some trump factory. When liberals run a university, they try their hardest to stamp out minority voices; when conservatives run a university, they try to actually give any student who wants to speak a voice. Also, notice how rabid more conservative institutions are about alumni groups and resources; conservative alumni are much more giving and supportive of the college.

I was certainly exaggerating to suggest the 92% of students at W&L supported Trump. Your argument about liberal college leaders is spurious in my view but beside the point either way. A student for whom politics is a prime motivator is unlikely to feel equally at home at these two schools. The alumni networks with DC connections (or state capital connections) are unlikely to be thick for conservative Amherst grads or liberal W&L grads.

For a student genuinely interest in politics as a career, a large state university is likely a better vocational call.

I think W&L is perfect for someone seeking a political career. It’s not terribly far from DC. Don’t listen to this person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seeing LAC parents fight over selectivity is hilarious. No one applies to lacs and they are hardly known
-Princeton mom, actually selective.

Btw: your kid should go to W&L. She’s gonna like it a lot more.

PP again. Princeton is easier to get into than Amherst from DD’s school. Maybe the difference is that Amherst doesn’t take into account legacy status.

Terrible trolling.

Funny that a statement based on data is taken as trolling.

I am a statistician by training and rely on data to update my views.

Then, this is pretty disappointing reasoning coming from a statistician. W&L has a 17% acceptance rate. A highly selective institution has an acceptance rate less than 20%. For someone who “rel[ies] on data to update [your] views,” you certainly make haste decisions based off of incomplete data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The chances of getting into Amherst are minuscule. Hence, your DD is very unlikely to have the choice to decide between the two.

They’re both very selective. Getting into both is the difficulty.

At DD’s private school, the acceptance rate to W&L is over 50 percent. The average SAT score and GPA of the accepted candidates are below 1400 and 93, respectively. Nobody has been accepted to Amherst for years. (The stats of the accepted kids to Williams are 1500 and 97, respectively).

Doubt it.

With a 17% acceptance rate, W&L doesn't accept 50% of applicants from any given high school anywhere, especially in RD.

Our school has a 89% admission rate at W&L from 2021-24 according to Scoir.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems hard to imagine a student who's attracted to the culture at W&L would be attracted to the culture at Amherst. Neither.

Amherst is significantly more selective than W&L. See where she gets in then visit.

Not everybody cares about selectivity. They want to actually like where they go to school.