Parents sue for kid failed for using AI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These rules are completely outdated. Schools should encourage the use of AI to support writing. There is no reason to focus on grammar structure etc when the importance is orchestrating ideas etc to own and paper. Sad.

Fun fact - things like understanding the rules of spelling and grammar can help you structure your thoughts and become a better thinker. You can only creatively break rules (and therefore write in an interesting way) when you first know the rules and how to abide by them.

Over on the college discussion forum they mention that AI writes the world's most boring and uninteresting personal statements because it just knows what kind of boring word usually goes after another already bland word. For a kid to 1) come up with good ideas and 2) know how to put them down in a compelling way, they have to be taught.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/parents-sue-school-massachusetts-son-203004528.html

Seems like these parents are really doing their kid a disservice. He broke the rules but they are going scorched earth to try to bail him out. How are we going to maintain any public school standards when parents act like this? This is why we can’t keep good teachers.

He used AI. That's not breaking the rules if there isn't a rule.
What does this have to do with teacher retention? Stop being so dramatic.

if you don't want kids to use AI make a rule.

One article says that the parents claim the passages in the handbook about AI were added later. The other doesn’t say that. Neither has evidence to support the claim.

But either way the school presumably had a policy about not submitting things you didn’t write as your own work. Whether it is written by AI, your grandma or someone you bought it from on the internet, it’s still plagiarism. So unless there weren’t policies about plagiarism the school is in the right.

[Anonymous]

Are you dense? I'm in college and even the professors are having a hard time distinguishing from AI, some people have even been wrongfully accused of using AI because AI detectors flags it as AI even when it is not.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like the AI-generated research was full of fake information and fake sources. That is enough for a student to be caught.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/parents-sue-school-massachusetts-son-203004528.html

Seems like these parents are really doing their kid a disservice. He broke the rules but they are going scorched earth to try to bail him out. How are we going to maintain any public school standards when parents act like this? This is why we can’t keep good teachers.

He used AI. That's not breaking the rules if there isn't a rule.
What does this have to do with teacher retention? Stop being so dramatic.

if you don't want kids to use AI make a rule.

One article says that the parents claim the passages in the handbook about AI were added later. The other doesn’t say that. Neither has evidence to support the claim.

But either way the school presumably had a policy about not submitting things you didn’t write as your own work. Whether it is written by AI, your grandma or someone you bought it from on the internet, it’s still plagiarism. So unless there weren’t policies about plagiarism the school is in the right.

This is what the school wrote in its motion to dismiss. Sounds like the student definitely was on notice about restrictions on the use of AI.

RNH was in enrolled in an AP English language class during the Fall 2023. During the first week of class, RNH and his classmates were given a copy of HHS’ written policy on Academic Dishonesty and AI expectations. The students are clearly informed that this policy applies to all classes, not simply ELA classes. The policy was distributed in RNH’s class on the same day a PowerPoint presentation entitled “AI & Schoolwork” was presented to RNH’s class. This is the PowerPoint presentation referenced in paragraph 129 of the Verified Compliant.

Attendance records show that RNH attended the class at which the policy was distributed and the PowerPoint presentation was shown. Furthermore, the written policy was also posted on Google Classroom, on online portal containing policies which is accessible to HHS’ students. It was also distributed at Parent's Night which was held in September 2023. If RNH’s parents were present at Parent’s Night, a copy would have been provided to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The rule said no unauthorized use of AI. He used ai to do research on a research paper assignment. He didn’t cite the AI tool. It’s cheating and it’s explicitly against the rules.

You realize that’s no different than using google.

You people don’t even understand AI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These rules are completely outdated. Schools should encourage the use of AI to support writing. There is no reason to focus on grammar structure etc when the importance is orchestrating ideas etc to own and paper. Sad.

Fun fact - things like understanding the rules of spelling and grammar can help you structure your thoughts and become a better thinker. You can only creatively break rules (and therefore write in an interesting way) when you first know the rules and how to abide by them.

Over on the college discussion forum they mention that AI writes the world's most boring and uninteresting personal statements because it just knows what kind of boring word usually goes after another already bland word. For a kid to 1) come up with good ideas and 2) know how to put them down in a compelling way, they have to be taught.

Sure for English class but not for a research papers.

I’m disappointed that AI isn’t taught … it’s like banning MS Word because it will catch spelling and grammar mistakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you dense? I'm in college and even the professors are having a hard time distinguishing from AI, some people have even been wrongfully accused of using AI because AI detectors flags it as AI even when it is not.

Yes most people posting are dense (mostly non technical women) and they do not understand AI.

They probably think the cloud is in the air.

Queue the fake MIT grad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The rule said no unauthorized use of AI. He used ai to do research on a research paper assignment. He didn’t cite the AI tool. It’s cheating and it’s explicitly against the rules.

You realize that’s no different than using google.

You people don’t even understand AI.

If you google and it leads you to a source then you need to cite the source or its plagiarism. He didn’t cite AI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you dense? I'm in college and even the professors are having a hard time distinguishing from AI, some people have even been wrongfully accused of using AI because AI detectors flags it as AI even when it is not.

This kid admitted to using AI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you dense? I'm in college and even the professors are having a hard time distinguishing from AI, some people have even been wrongfully accused of using AI because AI detectors flags it as AI even when it is not.

At the high school where I teach they are going to more things that are handwritten in class. For things that are written outside of class students are instructed to write and submit via google docs so that if it comes up as suspected AI they can use the version history. That usually makes it clear.

[Anonymous]

I like that they have to sue because he is "applying to elite colleges and universities given his high level of academic and personal achievement," but also without the zeroes he still only has a B in the class.

The kid was admitted to NHS on October 8, so that's one consequence down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The rule said no unauthorized use of AI. He used ai to do research on a research paper assignment. He didn’t cite the AI tool. It’s cheating and it’s explicitly against the rules.

You realize that’s no different than using google.

You people don’t even understand AI.

If you google and it leads you to a source then you need to cite the source or its plagiarism. He didn’t cite AI.

OMG you don't cite AI.

SMFH

You site the source, AI is not more the source than putting "library" as a source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The rule said no unauthorized use of AI. He used ai to do research on a research paper assignment. He didn’t cite the AI tool. It’s cheating and it’s explicitly against the rules.

You realize that’s no different than using google.

You people don’t even understand AI.

If you google and it leads you to a source then you need to cite the source or its plagiarism. He didn’t cite AI.

OMG you don't cite AI.

SMFH

You site the source, AI is not more the source than putting "library" as a source.

Tell this kid that. We already know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you dense? I'm in college and even the professors are having a hard time distinguishing from AI, some people have even been wrongfully accused of using AI because AI detectors flags it as AI even when it is not.

Yes most people posting are dense (mostly non technical women) and they do not understand AI.

They probably think the cloud is in the air.

Queue the fake MIT grad.

Wow. You can cut the sexism here with a knife.