Crime outside of DCPS schools - thread moved

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should absolutely belong here. If it happened at Jackson Reed it would stay here.

This is horrifying. I can't imagine having my daughter shot while at school!!

Sadly, I think there is not going to outrage about this. If it were to start happening more frequently in Ward 3, we'd hear more about and see more action, unfortunately. I say this as someone IB for Deal and JR.

There were more than a dozen gun shots fired just outside Jackson-Reed last year. The school was put in lockdown. Little outrage and no action. Your hypothesis has already been tested and failed.

I once witnessed gunfire next to my Ward 1 school just after dismissal. Aftercare kids were playing on the playground at the time so everyone went in and we called for a lockdown. I called 911 and they never even showed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should absolutely belong here. If it happened at Jackson Reed it would stay here.

This is horrifying. I can't imagine having my daughter shot while at school!!

Sadly, I think there is not going to outrage about this. If it were to start happening more frequently in Ward 3, we'd hear more about and see more action, unfortunately. I say this as someone IB for Deal and JR.

There were more than a dozen gun shots fired just outside Jackson-Reed last year. The school was put in lockdown. Little outrage and no action. Your hypothesis has already been tested and failed.

1. And every time there is a shooting near JR there is a 10+ page thread about it in THIS forum.
2. Was a JR student shot?

Not in wars 3 but isn’t this obvious because DCUM skews UMC and more ward 3 families on here.

Our zone school is Dunbar and I highly doubt that even 1/10th of the families are even on DCUM.

Shooting and violence anywhere near schools are unacceptable thought no matter SES of families/schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should absolutely belong here. If it happened at Jackson Reed it would stay here.

This is horrifying. I can't imagine having my daughter shot while at school!!

Sadly, I think there is not going to outrage about this. If it were to start happening more frequently in Ward 3, we'd hear more about and see more action, unfortunately. I say this as someone IB for Deal and JR.

There were more than a dozen gun shots fired just outside Jackson-Reed last year. The school was put in lockdown. Little outrage and no action. Your hypothesis has already been tested and failed.

1. And every time there is a shooting near JR there is a 10+ page thread about it in THIS forum.
2. Was a JR student shot?

The DCUM posting on this shooting was not 10+ pages long and nearly every post was on the day of the shooting as parents simply tried to determine what was going on given that info was very limited at the time. Once again, little outrage and no action.

[Anonymous]

Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Meant to say with no time served at this part. There has to be some middle ground where kids actually experience some repercussion for something as serious as illegal possession of a gun, firing a gun, rather than just dropping charges and releasing them back to absent, uninvolved parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Meant to say with no time served at this part. There has to be some middle ground where kids actually experience some repercussion for something as serious as illegal possession of a gun, firing a gun, rather than just dropping charges and releasing them back to absent, uninvolved parents.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/shooting-near-dunbar-high-school-dc/65-2c244d3b-c98e-455b-a560-b141db3a8b47?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0GS1qBlmkSQVG72WpWabCqR2_a3ea30UQw2uqcHxvklo5_MMedZOsDD3Y_aem_AcRxGlfo0z82zkqQ8NFVsyFU5qYWTitnkcEDul8sZCPnoVO0zuAuzCqfh6uTuTiIYx3oc3__6ecJnlBOmLeb93ue

Looks like they have arrested a few teenagers in connection with the shooting yesterday.

While each incident is horrific and sad, it is such a bigger complex web of a problem. As mentioned before, this is linked to getting to the root of why these kids are not in school in the first place, addressing truancy, families/kids who are not in the schools, etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It should absolutely belong here. If it happened at Jackson Reed it would stay here.

This is horrifying. I can't imagine having my daughter shot while at school!!

Sadly, I think there is not going to outrage about this. If it were to start happening more frequently in Ward 3, we'd hear more about and see more action, unfortunately. I say this as someone IB for Deal and JR.

There were more than a dozen gun shots fired just outside Jackson-Reed last year. The school was put in lockdown. Little outrage and no action. Your hypothesis has already been tested and failed.

1. And every time there is a shooting near JR there is a 10+ page thread about it in THIS forum.
2. Was a JR student shot?

The DCUM posting on this shooting was not 10+ pages long and nearly every post was on the day of the shooting as parents simply tried to determine what was going on given that info was very limited at the time. Once again, little outrage and no action.

Regardless, the post remained in DC school thread as this one should. Just like e wry shooting near MV does etc. It's a DC school issue and should not be moved to local politics section to go and die.

[Anonymous]

So every shooting near a school goes in the schools forum? Just as an FYI to DC that some parts of the District have violence near schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So every shooting near a school goes in the schools forum? Just as an FYI to DC that some parts of the District have violence near schools?

Shootings near schools should be in the school forum, especially if a shooting near a school leads to a stray bullet striking a kid sitting in a classroom as happened yesterday. What if it was a MV elementary school kid who got shot, would that make it ok? Or we only post about shootings impacting certain schools vs others?

As a parent, it mattered to me that shots were fired in broad daylight next to my kid's school this past week while kids were outside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Agree w/you, PP, but one correction, it is the elected AG, Brian Schwab who prosecutes, or doesn't, most juvenile crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Agree w/you, PP, but one correction, it is the elected AG, Brian Schwab who prosecutes, or doesn't, most juvenile crime.

Thanks for the correction

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Agree w/you, PP, but one correction, it is the elected AG, Brian Schwab who prosecutes, or doesn't, most juvenile crime.

In both cases, it's the judges that determine the non-deterring sentences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Agree w/you, PP, but one correction, it is the elected AG, Brian Schwab who prosecutes, or doesn't, most juvenile crime.

In both cases, it's the judges that determine the non-deterring sentences.

In both cases, charges are being dropped and offenders released before they even make it to a judge

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime in the city has gotten much worst since the pandemic, especially crime committed by juveniles.

Coupled with poorly performing school, above is driving many families to move out of the city and to the burbs.

The US attorney office is dropping charges at much higher rates than years ago and vs other cities, or pleading serious gun charges down to misdemeanors with no gun crime. This is problematic when it comes to juveniles who know they can get away with a lot, carjack a car, shoot a gun, and even if caught, end up released (MANY examples of this per DC Crime Facts).

Every article I've read about WHY the USAO is dropping cases seems to quote them giving generic shoulder shrugging responses. Yes, the lack of accreditation for the DC forensic lab contributed, but that thankfully was rectified in Dec. But there are clear cases that could have been tried regardless, but were just completely dropped.

DCPS doesn't do much for truancy intervention either which would be one of the best ways to identify kids before they get on this path. But once they are on this path, we need to stop releasing kids with serious offences back to the streets where they have zero regard for firing a gun with bad aim next to a playground in broad daylight.

Agree w/you, PP, but one correction, it is the elected AG, Brian Schwab who prosecutes, or doesn't, most juvenile crime.

In both cases, it's the judges that determine the non-deterring sentences.

Longer sentences don’t deter crime, though, and incarceration isn’t the answer people assume it to be. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf

That’s especially true for young people, who are bad at considering the consequences of their actions in the heat of the moment.

But all this is much more than a DCPS issue.