"Flagship" is a better bet than an upper-tier private college, according to Bloomberg.

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Return on Investment, also factors in what was paid so $12k vs 80k. I think success post-grad is the more important factor which the WSJ captured in it its rankings (which captures that schools strong in engineering and/or finance/business do well)

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/ranking-wall-street-journals-2024-best-colleges-in-america/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a definition of "upper-tier" private college is needed, because there aren't actually tiers of colleges.

Are they saying that on average, students at flagships do better than students at T100s that aren't Ivies? Are they defining "college" as the first 4 years at any college or university or are they saying LAC's only?

Are they saying that MIT is worse than Ole Miss?

No, if you read the article and look at the data/graphs, you will see that the Ivy plus or top 20ish schools have similar outcomes to the Ivies. They have data for hundreds of colleges that you can compare outcomes/ROI.

Isn't that the opposite of the thread's title?

Yes, the title doesn't match the argument/data in the article.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that surprising to you? Public flagships are often R1 institutions with a wealth of academic power. Top tier privates generally cannot match that.

After spending time on this board? Yes. This board has led me to believe we will all die if we don't attend an Ivy. I'm planning my funeral now.

OP

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UMD>JHU

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Anonymous wrote:Is that surprising to you? Public flagships are often R1 institutions with a wealth of academic power. Top tier privates generally cannot match that.

What is the "wealth" of academic power focused on? Often it is not undergraduates.

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Anonymous wrote:Return on Investment, also factors in what was paid so $12k vs 80k. I think success post-grad is the more important factor which the WSJ captured in it its rankings (which captures that schools strong in engineering and/or finance/business do well)

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/ranking-wall-street-journals-2024-best-colleges-in-america/

Babson is ranked #10 in WSJ. It is 100% business. Among business schools, it is tied for 42 for salaries for graduates with a Bachelor's degree. Among DCUM schools, Babson ranks behind UVA, Georgetown, W&M, and UMD, yet it is rated far above those schools overall in WSJ.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Return on Investment, also factors in what was paid so $12k vs 80k. I think success post-grad is the more important factor which the WSJ captured in it its rankings (which captures that schools strong in engineering and/or finance/business do well)

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/ranking-wall-street-journals-2024-best-colleges-in-america/

Babson is ranked #10 in WSJ. It is 100% business. Among business schools, it is tied for 42 for salaries for graduates with a Bachelor's degree. Among DCUM schools, Babson ranks behind UVA, Georgetown, W&M, and UMD, yet it is rated far above those schools overall in WSJ.

https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/business/

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Thanks Jake.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a definition of "upper-tier" private college is needed, because there aren't actually tiers of colleges.

Are they saying that on average, students at flagships do better than students at T100s that aren't Ivies? Are they defining "college" as the first 4 years at any college or university or are they saying LAC's only?

Are they saying that MIT is worse than Ole Miss?

By ivies are we talking about the ones designated by what is essentially an east coast private university sports league?

Or are we loosely using the term "ivy" to describe top 10 universities, which include non-ivy schools like MIT, Stanford, Northwestern, etc that are higher ranked than several Ivies?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Return on Investment, also factors in what was paid so $12k vs 80k. I think success post-grad is the more important factor which the WSJ captured in it its rankings (which captures that schools strong in engineering and/or finance/business do well)

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/ranking-wall-street-journals-2024-best-colleges-in-america/

Babson is ranked #10 in WSJ. It is 100% business. Among business schools, it is tied for 42 for salaries for graduates with a Bachelor's degree. Among DCUM schools, Babson ranks behind UVA, Georgetown, W&M, and UMD, yet it is rated far above those schools overall in WSJ.

Yes so if you’re majoring in English literature at UVA your success rate is bringing down the schools average. Whereas Babson is business and entrepreneurs and its students are motivated to make money post-Grad.

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Anonymous wrote:Great so I’ll just make sure my kids get into UVA. Easy peazy. 🙄🙄🙄

You have 49 other flagships to choose from

Yes and OOS at most of them will be about as costly as an upper tier private

Are people still ignorant of the fact that many flagships give merit aid to lots of people to bring the price way down, even if they aren't tip top applicants?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great so I’ll just make sure my kids get into UVA. Easy peazy. 🙄🙄🙄

You have 49 other flagships to choose from

Yes and OOS at most of them will be about as costly as an upper tier private

Are people still ignorant of the fact that many flagships give merit aid to lots of people to bring the price way down, even if they aren't tip top applicants?

And so do many privates.

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Anonymous wrote:Article wasn't linked

Here it is, although you have to enter your email address to read it: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-college-return-on-investment/?leadSource=uverify+wall#cuny-city-college

As someone stated, the article talks about ROI and a summary of the article states: “A degree from a so-called “Hidden Ivy” — a list of 63 top schools — 10 years after enrollment is worth about $135,000, compared to $265,500 at a typical Ivy League school. And interestingly, public flagships, or the most prominent universities in every state, seem to be the safer bet. They have a median 10-year ROI of $148,000.”

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Article wasn't linked

Here it is, although you have to enter your email address to read it: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-college-return-on-investment/?leadSource=uverify+wall#cuny-city-college

As someone stated, the article talks about ROI and a summary of the article states: “A degree from a so-called “Hidden Ivy” — a list of 63 top schools — 10 years after enrollment is worth about $135,000, compared to $265,500 at a typical Ivy League school. And interestingly, public flagships, or the most prominent universities in every state, seem to be the safer bet. They have a median 10-year ROI of $148,000.”

Sorry - here is the summary of the full article with the quote above: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-04-11/public-vs-private-not-all-elite-colleges-deliver-equal-roi?embedded-checkout=true

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Article wasn't linked

Here it is, although you have to enter your email address to read it: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-college-return-on-investment/?leadSource=uverify+wall#cuny-city-college

As someone stated, the article talks about ROI and a summary of the article states: “A degree from a so-called “Hidden Ivy” — a list of 63 top schools — 10 years after enrollment is worth about $135,000, compared to $265,500 at a typical Ivy League school. And interestingly, public flagships, or the most prominent universities in every state, seem to be the safer bet. They have a median 10-year ROI of $148,000.”

What are the 63 schools? Link that does not require signing in?