Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
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| If you substitute Christian/Bible for another group, you think we are talking about the Taliban. I mean this is ridiculous! Public education should be secular. Separation of church and state. What are these people trying to do turn our country into it theocracy?? |
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It's literally not. |
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Yeah, I don’t know how people get these ideas. And they’re so sure of themselves too, even though they’re wrong. |
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That is absolutely not true. A classical education emphasizes the true, the good, and the beautiful. Yes. there may be a religious angle, but the focus is literature, history, and languages (Latin or Greek), all with a focus on developing good character. There are traditional approaches to learning grammar, including sentence diagramming. Math and science are rigorous. Evolution is taught. https://welltrainedmind.com/a/classical-education/ Boston Latin and Washington Latin are classical schools, and many homeschoolers use classical curricula. But please continue to spread the myth that we're all a bunch of uneducated rubes. |
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They mean classic TV like the Flintstones or Dukes of Hazzard. |
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"The $59 online test consists of a three-section, two-hour exam that assesses verbal reasoning, grammar and writing as well as quantitative reasoning." -- sounds a million times better than whatever DC and other states are doing? OP, perhaps you should have your FDS checked by a pro? |
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https://app.cltexam.com/example-test
The second passage specific references evolution, whereas the third alludes to the Christian view of suffering as an absence of good (i.e. original sin). The passages (except the nonfiction one) are notably more complex than those typical in the SAT, whereas the questions require less inference (again with the nonfiction passage being the exception) I found the analogies to be an interesting addition, although I couldn't make sense of questions 19 and 29. The grammar seems surprisingly comparable to that of the SAT and ACT (no sentence diagramming or any explicit grammar knowledge is needed). There are questions that require the taker to know vocabulary, as opposed to being able to infer definitions from context. The math seems fine, and it seems to have more challenging trigonometry than the other two tests. Lastly, a student's score is just the number of questions they got right. I don't like this, as the difficulty of the exam is impossible to keep constant from year to year, which means a 110 this year might not be as easy or as difficult to achieve as a 110 next year. It's also a lot less "fault-tolerant" than the other two tests, as you can usually get at least one question wrong per section and still get top SAT and ACT scores. |
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Just like the SAT and the ACT with no writing (very few schools require the writing part) |
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I believe that this isn't correct, and that they do scale their score per exam difficulty, with the exception that you need to do perfectly to do a perfect score: at least as of a year or two ago, only one person has ever maxxed out the test. The high end is quite high, making it easier to differentiate at the top end. Verbal is very solid. On the math side, while I do like that they don't allow calculators, I am unhappy that they do not have free response math questions. |
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Where? |
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| As someone who has worked in the field of standardized testing, I'd be curious as to how this test is constructed, and how questions are road tested, how they account for issues like bias, etc. Any national or international standardized test has to meet all sorts of metrics and questions are tested heavily before they are used. I doubt that the association of Christian schools has an institutionalized set of standards and procedures similar to those that a group like ETS would have. People who write standardized test questions often get paid several thousand dollars for writing one passage with questions and answers, and many of those passages never even make it to the final version, but are thrown out after testing, etc. Making a test like the SAT is really expensive. I wonder how a much smaller, newer organization without a comparable infrastructure is actually creating this test, and how reliable it is, etc. |
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"classical education" has a very western Christian bent, so I can see why FL and the MAGA love it.
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Well, yes. But it also has an Islamic bent, as Islamic philosophy also pulled from the Greco-Roman tradition and cross-pollinated with Western European philosophy, which is why the president of Zaytuna College, America's first Muslim college, is on their board. And it also draws people interested in the more liberal aspects of the Western tradition, which is why you see Cornel West there, too. |
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Yet they’ve now got the best rated schools in the country. |