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Anonymous wrote:Interesting site. 436 students who are in bounds for Eastern go to SWW, Latin, McKinley, Banneker, or Basis (not to mention students going to private schools or other high performing public schools). DCPS could get a pretty high performing cohort to go to Eastern if they were interested in supporting in-bound families and providing a good education for them. So far they haven't been, so you only have 15.5% of in-bound public school students attending, which is pretty shameful.

Jackson-Reed is also interesting. It would be at capacity if there were only 520 out of boundary students, but for some reason the city is letting 742 out of boundary students attend, and so kids end up having classes in utility closets.

They need to solve the middle school problem to fix Eastern. What do the numbers look like at SH, EH and Jefferson?

Chicken-egg problem. I'm IB for Eastern. SH was a fallback only (Latin and BASIS were 1/2) precisely because Eastern was an absolute no-go. So my high performing kid isn't at SH because of Eastern.

I agree it’s chicken and egg, although I think there are ways to approach these decisions and invest in the middles that will eventually support Eastern, even if that progress isn’t as fast as we’d like to see. Can I ask where you sent your kid to MS (it is a little unclear if you got in to Latin or BASIS)? And if they’re high-achieving, what deterred you from seeing SWW/Banneker/McKinley Tech as a plan for high school if you had gone to SH?

I'm not the PP but someone who made a similar decision, and it was because I prefer BASIS/Latin high schools to Banneker and McKinley. That leaves Walls, but there is not guarantee that even a straight A student will get in.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting site. 436 students who are in bounds for Eastern go to SWW, Latin, McKinley, Banneker, or Basis (not to mention students going to private schools or other high performing public schools). DCPS could get a pretty high performing cohort to go to Eastern if they were interested in supporting in-bound families and providing a good education for them. So far they haven't been, so you only have 15.5% of in-bound public school students attending, which is pretty shameful.

Jackson-Reed is also interesting. It would be at capacity if there were only 520 out of boundary students, but for some reason the city is letting 742 out of boundary students attend, and so kids end up having classes in utility closets.

They need to solve the middle school problem to fix Eastern. What do the numbers look like at SH, EH and Jefferson?

Chicken-egg problem. I'm IB for Eastern. SH was a fallback only (Latin and BASIS were 1/2) precisely because Eastern was an absolute no-go. So my high performing kid isn't at SH because of Eastern.

I agree it’s chicken and egg, although I think there are ways to approach these decisions and invest in the middles that will eventually support Eastern, even if that progress isn’t as fast as we’d like to see. Can I ask where you sent your kid to MS (it is a little unclear if you got in to Latin or BASIS)? And if they’re high-achieving, what deterred you from seeing SWW/Banneker/McKinley Tech as a plan for high school if you had gone to SH?

I'm not the PP but someone who made a similar decision, and it was because I prefer BASIS/Latin high schools to Banneker and McKinley. That leaves Walls, but there is not guarantee that even a straight A student will get in.

Not PP either, but that’s the answer in our circles on the hill. You take the (HS) bird in hand as soon as you get it (with a little dithering, depending on your kid, if it’s basis)

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting site. 436 students who are in bounds for Eastern go to SWW, Latin, McKinley, Banneker, or Basis (not to mention students going to private schools or other high performing public schools). DCPS could get a pretty high performing cohort to go to Eastern if they were interested in supporting in-bound families and providing a good education for them. So far they haven't been, so you only have 15.5% of in-bound public school students attending, which is pretty shameful.

Jackson-Reed is also interesting. It would be at capacity if there were only 520 out of boundary students, but for some reason the city is letting 742 out of boundary students attend, and so kids end up having classes in utility closets.

They need to solve the middle school problem to fix Eastern. What do the numbers look like at SH, EH and Jefferson?

Chicken-egg problem. I'm IB for Eastern. SH was a fallback only (Latin and BASIS were 1/2) precisely because Eastern was an absolute no-go. So my high performing kid isn't at SH because of Eastern.

I agree it’s chicken and egg, although I think there are ways to approach these decisions and invest in the middles that will eventually support Eastern, even if that progress isn’t as fast as we’d like to see. Can I ask where you sent your kid to MS (it is a little unclear if you got in to Latin or BASIS)? And if they’re high-achieving, what deterred you from seeing SWW/Banneker/McKinley Tech as a plan for high school if you had gone to SH?

I'm not the PP but someone who made a similar decision, and it was because I prefer BASIS/Latin high schools to Banneker and McKinley. That leaves Walls, but there is not guarantee that even a straight A student will get in.

Not PP either, but that’s the answer in our circles on the hill. You take the (HS) bird in hand as soon as you get it (with a little dithering, depending on your kid, if it’s basis)

One of the high performing kids at our ES turned BASIS down this year. Went to the summer week and then pulled out. At least one other didn't lottery for BASIS at all. At least at our school, families have very mixed feelings about BASIS and many would prefer SH, so it's just about the HS... and even then some are saying no. I would say that it's the first time in recent memory at our school where the 5th grade isn't *that* different than the 4th grade was in terms of the mix of kids academics-wise, because a combo of lottery luck and aversion to BASIS means the highest performing kids mostly came back.

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I have a high-performing kid, and we opted for our IB middle school for logistics, community, and because I liked the school and knew other kids who had been happy there. I presume we’ll have no problem getting into a select HS (and for me that doesn’t have to be just SWW), but I’m also intrigued by Eastern and we’ll take a close look at it once it’s time, but from what I know now, I think my kid would do just fine there in the EPIC/IB program.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a high-performing kid, and we opted for our IB middle school for logistics, community, and because I liked the school and knew other kids who had been happy there. I presume we’ll have no problem getting into a select HS (and for me that doesn’t have to be just SWW), but I’m also intrigued by Eastern and we’ll take a close look at it once it’s time, but from what I know now, I think my kid would do just fine there in the EPIC/IB program.

Same here. Also at an Eastern feeder. My high performing kid is doing well and feels a part of the community at their IB middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a high-performing kid, and we opted for our IB middle school for logistics, community, and because I liked the school and knew other kids who had been happy there. I presume we’ll have no problem getting into a select HS (and for me that doesn’t have to be just SWW), but I’m also intrigued by Eastern and we’ll take a close look at it once it’s time, but from what I know now, I think my kid would do just fine there in the EPIC/IB program.

That's great! Seems like the EPIC/IB program is a game changer.

DCPS, now do all the Cardozo high school feeders.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a high-performing kid, and we opted for our IB middle school for logistics, community, and because I liked the school and knew other kids who had been happy there. I presume we’ll have no problem getting into a select HS (and for me that doesn’t have to be just SWW), but I’m also intrigued by Eastern and we’ll take a close look at it once it’s time, but from what I know now, I think my kid would do just fine there in the EPIC/IB program.

That's great! Seems like the EPIC/IB program is a game changer.

DCPS, now do all the Cardozo high school feeders.

I will say that at my Eastern ES feeder I haven't heard any enthusiasm about the Eastern program at all yet. When we were recently reviewing a list of Eastern students for a potential event, we couldn't find a single one from our ES. Similarly, we have never heard anything directly from Eastern's admin trying to connect families with the school even for a meet and greet or single event, so I'm pretty skeptical there's been any wholesale change in the minds of most. (This is very different than the vibe around our MS feeder which definitely has improved and the Principal has really made an effort the last few years.)

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Anonymous wrote:I have a high-performing kid, and we opted for our IB middle school for logistics, community, and because I liked the school and knew other kids who had been happy there. I presume we’ll have no problem getting into a select HS (and for me that doesn’t have to be just SWW), but I’m also intrigued by Eastern and we’ll take a close look at it once it’s time, but from what I know now, I think my kid would do just fine there in the EPIC/IB program.

That's great! Seems like the EPIC/IB program is a game changer.

DCPS, now do all the Cardozo high school feeders.

I will say that at my Eastern ES feeder I haven't heard any enthusiasm about the Eastern program at all yet. When we were recently reviewing a list of Eastern students for a potential event, we couldn't find a single one from our ES. Similarly, we have never heard anything directly from Eastern's admin trying to connect families with the school even for a meet and greet or single event, so I'm pretty skeptical there's been any wholesale change in the minds of most. (This is very different than the vibe around our MS feeder which definitely has improved and the Principal has really made an effort the last few years.)

I don’t think anyone is describing this as a wholesale change for a majority of people. But I think there’s a growing number of families that aren’t Latin/BASIS/Walls or bust, and some of them are considering or attending Eastern.

I also wouldn’t expect any HS admin to systematically engage with the large number of feeder elementary schools. That being said, it seems like your school has some engagement if you have a list of students for a potential event. I would expect the Eastern admin to engage with the MS feeders, and I believe that’s happening, and there’s a new principal this year who seems well received.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting site. 436 students who are in bounds for Eastern go to SWW, Latin, McKinley, Banneker, or Basis (not to mention students going to private schools or other high performing public schools). DCPS could get a pretty high performing cohort to go to Eastern if they were interested in supporting in-bound families and providing a good education for them. So far they haven't been, so you only have 15.5% of in-bound public school students attending, which is pretty shameful.

Jackson-Reed is also interesting. It would be at capacity if there were only 520 out of boundary students, but for some reason the city is letting 742 out of boundary students attend, and so kids end up having classes in utility closets.

They need to solve the middle school problem to fix Eastern. What do the numbers look like at SH, EH and Jefferson?

Chicken-egg problem. I'm IB for Eastern. SH was a fallback only (Latin and BASIS were 1/2) precisely because Eastern was an absolute no-go. So my high performing kid isn't at SH because of Eastern.

I agree it’s chicken and egg, although I think there are ways to approach these decisions and invest in the middles that will eventually support Eastern, even if that progress isn’t as fast as we’d like to see. Can I ask where you sent your kid to MS (it is a little unclear if you got in to Latin or BASIS)? And if they’re high-achieving, what deterred you from seeing SWW/Banneker/McKinley Tech as a plan for high school if you had gone to SH?

I'm not the PP but someone who made a similar decision, and it was because I prefer BASIS/Latin high schools to Banneker and McKinley. That leaves Walls, but there is not guarantee that even a straight A student will get in.

Not PP either, but that’s the answer in our circles on the hill. You take the (HS) bird in hand as soon as you get it (with a little dithering, depending on your kid, if it’s basis)

One of the high performing kids at our ES turned BASIS down this year. Went to the summer week and then pulled out. At least one other didn't lottery for BASIS at all. At least at our school, families have very mixed feelings about BASIS and many would prefer SH, so it's just about the HS... and even then some are saying no. I would say that it's the first time in recent memory at our school where the 5th grade isn't *that* different than the 4th grade was in terms of the mix of kids academics-wise, because a combo of lottery luck and aversion to BASIS means the highest performing kids mostly came back.

We are at an SH feeder (likely the same one) and yes to all of this. I see more frustration about Latin because I think most parents would be perfectly happy with Latin for MS and HS, but BASIS just feels like a niche school for certain kinds of kids (and that niche is not just "high achieving" -- there are lots of high achieving kids who don't fit into the somewhat narrow profile for BASIS and what other things out of HS in particular).

Honestly, we just decided around 3rd grade that if we have to move, we'll move. That's how we resolved the Eastern issue. We've set up our lifestyle so that moving is a realistic option at any point we need to. We will lottery for Latin and may look at some Deal or Hardy feeders for 5th as well, though I doubt we'd actually take a spot at one for practical reasons (we would take Latin). Otherwise we'll do SH, pretty happily, and just plan to move either to NW or to the suburbs if our kid doesn't get a spot at Walls and no other acceptable option emerges.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a high-performing kid, and we opted for our IB middle school for logistics, community, and because I liked the school and knew other kids who had been happy there. I presume we’ll have no problem getting into a select HS (and for me that doesn’t have to be just SWW), but I’m also intrigued by Eastern and we’ll take a close look at it once it’s time, but from what I know now, I think my kid would do just fine there in the EPIC/IB program.

That's great! Seems like the EPIC/IB program is a game changer.

DCPS, now do all the Cardozo high school feeders.

I will say that at my Eastern ES feeder I haven't heard any enthusiasm about the Eastern program at all yet. When we were recently reviewing a list of Eastern students for a potential event, we couldn't find a single one from our ES. Similarly, we have never heard anything directly from Eastern's admin trying to connect families with the school even for a meet and greet or single event, so I'm pretty skeptical there's been any wholesale change in the minds of most. (This is very different than the vibe around our MS feeder which definitely has improved and the Principal has really made an effort the last few years.)

This reflects our experience as well. One of the things that has happened with the MSs on the Hill is that a decent number of families with kids at feeder elementaries wind up with an older child at SH or E-H. This on it's own builds up interest in the MS because as your kid hits upper elementary grades, you see these siblings and can talk to their parents about it and people have been mostly pretty positive (the negative things I've heard are things that I hear about middle school in general, not specific to these schools).

Who knows, maybe these larger cohorts of inbound students at the middle schools will result in a foothold at Easter and we'll see the same thing, with the older siblings talking it up a bit to not only younger siblings but also their peers, and just making it feel like a more realistic option for more families. But it hasn't happened yet, that I can tell.

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Is there a way to know what percentage of all elementary age children attend their zoned public? (V private)

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Anonymous wrote:I have a high-performing kid, and we opted for our IB middle school for logistics, community, and because I liked the school and knew other kids who had been happy there. I presume we’ll have no problem getting into a select HS (and for me that doesn’t have to be just SWW), but I’m also intrigued by Eastern and we’ll take a close look at it once it’s time, but from what I know now, I think my kid would do just fine there in the EPIC/IB program.

That's great! Seems like the EPIC/IB program is a game changer.

DCPS, now do all the Cardozo high school feeders.

I will say that at my Eastern ES feeder I haven't heard any enthusiasm about the Eastern program at all yet. When we were recently reviewing a list of Eastern students for a potential event, we couldn't find a single one from our ES. Similarly, we have never heard anything directly from Eastern's admin trying to connect families with the school even for a meet and greet or single event, so I'm pretty skeptical there's been any wholesale change in the minds of most. (This is very different than the vibe around our MS feeder which definitely has improved and the Principal has really made an effort the last few years.)

I don’t think anyone is describing this as a wholesale change for a majority of people. But I think there’s a growing number of families that aren’t Latin/BASIS/Walls or bust, and some of them are considering or attending Eastern.

I also wouldn’t expect any HS admin to systematically engage with the large number of feeder elementary schools. That being said, it seems like your school has some engagement if you have a list of students for a potential event. I would expect the Eastern admin to engage with the MS feeders, and I believe that’s happening, and there’s a new principal this year who seems well received.

Sorry, I guess what I should say is that I don't know a single person at my ES who is considering sending their kid to Eastern. I have a 5th grader, so it's not like I am a PK3 parent speculating about the distant future. I also have parent friends with older kids at our feeder MS and none of them are considering Eastern either. I think it is a huge mistake for Eastern not making a real effort to engage with ES feeders, but it feeds into my perception that recruiting IB kids is not actually a DCPS priority the way that I think it should be. Kids are only in MS for 1-2 years when families start planning for HS; that's not very much time to try to change very negative perceptions.

It's actually our school that was attempting outreach to Eastern; not the reverse.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to know what percentage of all elementary age children attend their zoned public? (V private)

Not really. You could probably back out some rough estimates using census data.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting site. 436 students who are in bounds for Eastern go to SWW, Latin, McKinley, Banneker, or Basis (not to mention students going to private schools or other high performing public schools). DCPS could get a pretty high performing cohort to go to Eastern if they were interested in supporting in-bound families and providing a good education for them. So far they haven't been, so you only have 15.5% of in-bound public school students attending, which is pretty shameful.

Jackson-Reed is also interesting. It would be at capacity if there were only 520 out of boundary students, but for some reason the city is letting 742 out of boundary students attend, and so kids end up having classes in utility closets.

They need to solve the middle school problem to fix Eastern. What do the numbers look like at SH, EH and Jefferson?

Chicken-egg problem. I'm IB for Eastern. SH was a fallback only (Latin and BASIS were 1/2) precisely because Eastern was an absolute no-go. So my high performing kid isn't at SH because of Eastern.

I agree it’s chicken and egg, although I think there are ways to approach these decisions and invest in the middles that will eventually support Eastern, even if that progress isn’t as fast as we’d like to see. Can I ask where you sent your kid to MS (it is a little unclear if you got in to Latin or BASIS)? And if they’re high-achieving, what deterred you from seeing SWW/Banneker/McKinley Tech as a plan for high school if you had gone to SH?

I'm not the PP but someone who made a similar decision, and it was because I prefer BASIS/Latin high schools to Banneker and McKinley. That leaves Walls, but there is not guarantee that even a straight A student will get in.

Hmm. I wonder why you prefer the first two over the second two? Hmm . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting site. 436 students who are in bounds for Eastern go to SWW, Latin, McKinley, Banneker, or Basis (not to mention students going to private schools or other high performing public schools). DCPS could get a pretty high performing cohort to go to Eastern if they were interested in supporting in-bound families and providing a good education for them. So far they haven't been, so you only have 15.5% of in-bound public school students attending, which is pretty shameful.

Jackson-Reed is also interesting. It would be at capacity if there were only 520 out of boundary students, but for some reason the city is letting 742 out of boundary students attend, and so kids end up having classes in utility closets.

They need to solve the middle school problem to fix Eastern. What do the numbers look like at SH, EH and Jefferson?

Chicken-egg problem. I'm IB for Eastern. SH was a fallback only (Latin and BASIS were 1/2) precisely because Eastern was an absolute no-go. So my high performing kid isn't at SH because of Eastern.

I agree it’s chicken and egg, although I think there are ways to approach these decisions and invest in the middles that will eventually support Eastern, even if that progress isn’t as fast as we’d like to see. Can I ask where you sent your kid to MS (it is a little unclear if you got in to Latin or BASIS)? And if they’re high-achieving, what deterred you from seeing SWW/Banneker/McKinley Tech as a plan for high school if you had gone to SH?

I'm not the PP but someone who made a similar decision, and it was because I prefer BASIS/Latin high schools to Banneker and McKinley. That leaves Walls, but there is not guarantee that even a straight A student will get in.

Hmm. I wonder why you prefer the first two over the second two? Hmm . . .

Because they are better schools for very top level students? Bc BASIS and Latin have produced NMSFs in the last couple years and Banneker and McKinley Tech haven't?