Exodus of APS teachers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

English teacher here. My current department turns over at least 3 teachers a year. We can’t find replacements, and this year we all took turns covering for one of the positions.

My former school had 2 open English positions all year. (Not APS.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

I honestly just don’t see how it’s possible that they don’t have jobs! Just go take a look at all the job openings on the APS website! Plus there will be a plethora once teachers don’t renew their contract in a couple weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

I honestly just don’t see how it’s possible that they don’t have jobs! Just go take a look at all the job openings on the APS website! Plus there will be a plethora once teachers don’t renew their contract in a couple weeks.

This happens EVERY YEAR- wait until contracts are out, and then get ready to again during the August shuffle. I convinced a family member to move out here, they interviewed but not offers. once August hit- bam they got a job. Principals are still seeing who is leaving

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/09/27/a-dwindling-number-of-new-u-s-college-graduates-have-a-degree-in-education

I guess it’s good we have actual data to rely on rather than your anecdotal observation based on one graduation ceremony.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

What’s her content area?
APS just posted some more pool listings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

Principals need to be on top of this to get good candidates, but I think sometimes they are too busy to buckle down at this very busy time of year. Have they gotten interviews even?

[Anonymous]

It doesn’t help to have and HR dept that sucks.

[Anonymous]

How many of those master’s and Phd grads were already teachers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

Principals need to be on top of this to get good candidates, but I think sometimes they are too busy to buckle down at this very busy time of year. Have they gotten interviews even?

My younger sister just graduated with her masters of teaching from UVA and she (and her entire cohort) has had jobs since April.

She still gets calls from other schools asking her if she wants to interview. There is a dire shortage.

[Anonymous]

Sped and bilingual are terribly understaffed. My very nice, sought after school cannot fill about 20-25% of our sped positions and this means many kids are getting IEP minutes delivered by TA's (supervised by a sped teacher, but not really). Lots of colleges are closing or dramatically reducing their seats in education programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

Principals need to be on top of this to get good candidates, but I think sometimes they are too busy to buckle down at this very busy time of year. Have they gotten interviews even?

My younger sister just graduated with her masters of teaching from UVA and she (and her entire cohort) has had jobs since April.

She still gets calls from other schools asking her if she wants to interview. There is a dire shortage.

What does her cohort teach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t help to have and HR dept that sucks.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

I honestly just don’t see how it’s possible that they don’t have jobs! Just go take a look at all the job openings on the APS website! Plus there will be a plethora once teachers don’t renew their contract in a couple weeks.

This happens EVERY YEAR- wait until contracts are out, and then get ready to again during the August shuffle. I convinced a family member to move out here, they interviewed but not offers. once August hit- bam they got a job. Principals are still seeing who is leaving

So they weren't denied jobs, they just haven't received an offer YET?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sped and bilingual are terribly understaffed. My very nice, sought after school cannot fill about 20-25% of our sped positions and this means many kids are getting IEP minutes delivered by TA's (supervised by a sped teacher, but not really). Lots of colleges are closing or dramatically reducing their seats in education programs.

At my school any SPED assistant who can get a provisional license and wants to be a full time teacher is being offered a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a nationwide exodus of teachers. If APS bucks that trend, you should consider it a very good sign for the health of the district.

That depends on which teachers are making the exodus. A slew of retiring teachers isn't necessarily a bad thing. I am happy to hear of a few leaving our high school (retiring) after this year. There are certain others whose departures would be welcomed as well, and whose vacancies could offer an improvement for the students. A slew of good teachers in their prime leaving for other districts or other careers is not a good thing.

Nationwide it is NOT just retiring teachers. It’s all ages and experience levels, coupled with all-time low enrollment in Education programs at university.

I am having a really tough time believing some of this. I just attended UVA's School of Education graduation yesterday, where literally for more than 2 hours, non-stop I heard the names called out for individuals graduating with bachelors and masters in education, as well as 20+PhDs. My DC was one of them earning a masters and does not yet have a job (despite applying to every single public school system in northern virginia, as well as a handful of private schools), and tells me the majority of their classmates are in the same boat. There is a shortage of math and some science teachers, and special ed for sure, but an overall dire shortage of teachers - sorry do not believe it.

I honestly just don’t see how it’s possible that they don’t have jobs! Just go take a look at all the job openings on the APS website! Plus there will be a plethora once teachers don’t renew their contract in a couple weeks.

I'll bet they don't for different reasons including things like:
Not getting an offer in a district they want/are willing to teach in
School hiring cycles/contract signing dates....schools will know more what openings they still have in the summer
Not having openings in the subject they want/are qualified to teach