Kamala Harris and VP expectations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never saw Pence as a "laughing-stock." He was a dignified, sober individual who took his job seriously. Kamala is the complete opposite.

Ok, Mother…. Lol!

Totally fair

The problem is that some presidents are not well suited for the challenges that come their way. Both Bush and Obama - in different ways - were unprepared and ultimately inadequate when it came to handling the challenges of a post 9/11 world. Our missions in Afghanistan and Iraq were thoughtless and ill-defined. As a consequence, several thousand American soldiers died. Tens of thousands of others suffered injuries. And because of those Bush/Obama policies, hundreds of thousands of people in the region died as well.

Terrible

But because of the inadequacies and insecurities of our elected presidents, the VPs had an enormous role. Fill the gap. Cheney most famously. But Biden too. Remember, as a senator he voted for war in Iraq. And as a VP, he was for it and guided US foreign policy. Obama himself checked out and wanted to pass it off to his successor.

VPs matter a lot when presidents are weak.

So imagine that you had a kid in the military or doing ROTC. Life or death. Cheney and Biden obviously wouldn't give a damn about your kid. Pence just wants your kid to go to heaven.

But do you really think Kamala Harris would be any better?

No

Which makes her so disappointing - woman, person of color, historic. But an absolute nothing. It's too bad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never saw Pence as a "laughing-stock." He was a dignified, sober individual who took his job seriously. Kamala is the complete opposite.

Ok, Mother…. Lol!

Totally fair

The problem is that some presidents are not well suited for the challenges that come their way. Both Bush and Obama - in different ways - were unprepared and ultimately inadequate when it came to handling the challenges of a post 9/11 world. Our missions in Afghanistan and Iraq were thoughtless and ill-defined. As a consequence, several thousand American soldiers died. Tens of thousands of others suffered injuries. And because of those Bush/Obama policies, hundreds of thousands of people in the region died as well.

Terrible

But because of the inadequacies and insecurities of our elected presidents, the VPs had an enormous role. Fill the gap. Cheney most famously. But Biden too. Remember, as a senator he voted for war in Iraq. And as a VP, he was for it and guided US foreign policy. Obama himself checked out and wanted to pass it off to his successor.

VPs matter a lot when presidents are weak.

So imagine that you had a kid in the military or doing ROTC. Life or death. Cheney and Biden obviously wouldn't give a damn about your kid. Pence just wants your kid to go to heaven.

But do you really think Kamala Harris would be any better?

No

Which makes her so disappointing - woman, person of color, historic. But an absolute nothing. It's too bad

To have a discussion on VP expectations boil down to caring about our troops is strange. It’s a small part of what a president and VP have on their plate. To then make the leap about who cares and who doesn’t is just unfair: one could argue that connecting and genuinely expressing grief with families is a strength of Biden’s, and a complete weakness of Trump’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never saw Pence as a "laughing-stock." He was a dignified, sober individual who took his job seriously. Kamala is the complete opposite.

Ok, Mother…. Lol!

Totally fair

The problem is that some presidents are not well suited for the challenges that come their way. Both Bush and Obama - in different ways - were unprepared and ultimately inadequate when it came to handling the challenges of a post 9/11 world. Our missions in Afghanistan and Iraq were thoughtless and ill-defined. As a consequence, several thousand American soldiers died. Tens of thousands of others suffered injuries. And because of those Bush/Obama policies, hundreds of thousands of people in the region died as well.

Terrible

But because of the inadequacies and insecurities of our elected presidents, the VPs had an enormous role. Fill the gap. Cheney most famously. But Biden too. Remember, as a senator he voted for war in Iraq. And as a VP, he was for it and guided US foreign policy. Obama himself checked out and wanted to pass it off to his successor.

VPs matter a lot when presidents are weak.

So imagine that you had a kid in the military or doing ROTC. Life or death. Cheney and Biden obviously wouldn't give a damn about your kid. Pence just wants your kid to go to heaven.
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But do you really think Kamala Harris would be any better?

No

Which makes her so disappointing - woman, person of color, historic. But an absolute nothing. It's too bad

To have a discussion on VP expectations boil down to caring about our troops is strange. It’s a small part of what a president and VP have on their plate. To then make the leap about who cares and who doesn’t is just unfair: one could argue that connecting and genuinely expressing grief with families is a strength of Biden’s, and a complete weakness of Trump’s.


That was not a pro-Trump statement, Besides judges - stars aligning for McConnell and the Federalist Society - and a tax cut for the wealthy, when it comes to policy, Trump/Pence were pretty inconsequential. And no illusions about that administration caring about soldiers. So many statements by Trump make it clear he doesn't care.

But he didn't use the military stupidly. You may not think It's a big deal, but I think throwing American kids into combat is a very big part of what it is to be president. Not everyone is as cold as you are. The facts are that Bush, Cheney, Obama, Biden, and Hillary Clinton were all too willing to sacrifice lives for brief political gains. Don't know how they live with themselves. Think Harris is of the same mold. Must look tough in the moment while ignoring larger strategic goals. And Harris would probably be worse because she genuinely seems like she's in over her head

That being said, I do think the Biden Administration has been pretty solid in navigating the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Also confident that VP Harris has had zero input.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She’s been a failure. Sadly if Biden maintains capacity to run he’s kind of roped himself in to keep her with him.

name things specifically

[Anonymous]

Mondale and Bush the Elder were fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she’s doing a very capable job and it’s telling that the criticisms here all seem to be coming from UMC urban/suburban white women.

You should all be ashamed of such a transparently racist attack on a WOC disguised as “I’m not satisfied”. Bull. Say what you really mean.

She is not immune to criticism simply because she is a WOC. And, people who are not satisfied are not "racist" because of the criticism.
She was appointed border czar. The border is an absolute disaster. Fail.
Her speeches are little more than word salads that appear to be the work of a high school student attempting to stretch the word count of an essay.
She frequently speaks to her audience like they are first graders.
She has had more than a dozen staffers leave her office. Even early on in her tenure, reports were that her office was rife with dissent with a pretty toxic environment.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/kamala-harris-office-dissent-497290
She has been a huge disappointment, but it seems Biden is stuck with her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't recall Gore being viewed as a clown. He was legitimately seen as a potential presidential candidate. Quayle was the one that had the unfortunate clown associate due to missteps, despite that he was a pretty competent senator. Cheney was extremely competent and ran the Bush administration.

No one noticed Biden while he was VP and let's not forget he was brutally shuffled aside to make way for Hillary and Obama is on record as saying unflattering things about him. Biden isn't particularly sharp and definitely, despite what some of you want to protest otherwise, suffers from aging issues. There's a reason why most Democrats don't want him to run again.

Harris was picked as VP solely because Biden made a promise to Clyburn to nominate as many black people. That was the only thing she offered to the role. It's not dissimilar from other VPs in the past who were brought in as part of political compromises, but she will certainly go down in history as among the least noteworthy VPs.

Gore is alive, younger than Biden & eligible.

[Anonymous]

I always wanted him to pick Val Demings! Former police chief, etc. She's amazing.

Kamala - I just never liked her.

[Anonymous]

I’ve never seen so much consistent attention on a VP. Most get ignored.

Yes, it’s because she’s a black woman and they are unfairly judged harsher than white men. Black men and women have to work harder, make fewer mistakes, and never be in a bad mood or have a bad day. It’s wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never saw Pence as a "laughing-stock." He was a dignified, sober individual who took his job seriously. Kamala is the complete opposite.

Like in the water bottle video with trump?

[Anonymous]

Who has expectations of a VP???? I expect them to step into the job of president during the presidents’ colonoscopies and in the case of a major illness/accident/death. Not sure what more you expect and what standard you’re holding her to. So yes, I think it’s racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who has expectations of a VP???? I expect them to step into the job of president during the presidents’ colonoscopies and in the case of a major illness/accident/death. Not sure what more you expect and what standard you’re holding her to. So yes, I think it’s racism.

^ignorance on display

[Anonymous]

OP, do you think Trump was a good President?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen so much consistent attention on a VP. Most get ignored.

Yes, it’s because she’s a black woman and they are unfairly judged harsher than white men. Black men and women have to work harder, make fewer mistakes, and never be in a bad mood or have a bad day. It’s wrong.

Kamala is the black equivalent of Sarah Palin

picked as a token, wildly incompetent & terrifying to think of as commander in chief

if John McCain is indeed looking up at us right now it's because he introduced a figure like Palin into the top tier of national politics

actually this may be unfair to Palin because, dumb as she was, she did run a state and have a fan base

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who has expectations of a VP???? I expect them to step into the job of president during the presidents’ colonoscopies and in the case of a major illness/accident/death. Not sure what more you expect and what standard you’re holding her to. So yes, I think it’s racism.

^ignorance on display

Well then go ahead and list your expectations with examples of how previous vice presidents have and have not met them.