SUNY matching in-state tuition of 8 states, and no fee applications (this week)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would a California even bother to apply to inferior SUNY schools when they have a plethora of better ones instate?

Low stats kid who can't get into a "good" UC on his first try and doesn't want to do the community college + transfer route. Still, I'm not sure why he'd go to SUNY Fredonia or New Paltz without pre-existing ties to those areas. He'd absolutely be a fish-out-of-water; in terms of culture shock, it would be akin to being an international student at one of those schools.

-Californian who went to college in NY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here are the FAQ's about it:
https://www.suny.edu/go/oos/?fbclid=IwAR19nWlP7wnrQQnu02brcgXAMHH3wC6AlTPg-2JEusskzdWkYDI7G6Q9uyo#faq

I'm not in the 8 states. I'm in the DMV...

The campus I'd want my DC to apply to (Binghamton) isn't participating.

Read the fine print!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FIT may be technically a SUNY but an anomaly. As one of the best schools of its type in the world, it is truly elite

It's an amazing deal too, even at OOS tuition prices. If you want to work in fashion, PR, media, etc you'd be a fool to send your kid to a private school at 3-4x the price.

In state tuition: $7200/year
OOS tuition: $21,700/year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FIT may be technically a SUNY but an anomaly. As one of the best schools of its type in the world, it is truly elite

It's an amazing deal too, even at OOS tuition prices. If you want to work in fashion, PR, media, etc you'd be a fool to send your kid to a private school at 3-4x the price.

In state tuition: $7200/year
OOS tuition: $21,700/year

100%
I've recently heard awful things about Parsons lately which is so surprising. Wealthy international students hiring staff to do the grunt work for them - crucial grunt work like cutting patterns. And they left the covid years kids in the dust with no showcase (which is how you obtain a post grad job).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FIT may be technically a SUNY but an anomaly. As one of the best schools of its type in the world, it is truly elite

It's an amazing deal too, even at OOS tuition prices. If you want to work in fashion, PR, media, etc you'd be a fool to send your kid to a private school at 3-4x the price.

In state tuition: $7200/year
OOS tuition: $21,700/year

100%
I've recently heard awful things about Parsons lately which is so surprising. Wealthy international students hiring staff to do the grunt work for them - crucial grunt work like cutting patterns. And they left the covid years kids in the dust with no showcase (which is how you obtain a post grad job).

Parsons is filled with wealthy spoiled brats + donut-hole kids who take out a huge amount of student loans that they can't pay back. Not much financial aid available.

[Anonymous]

Interesting recruiting tactic. I agree California and Illinois do not seem to fit. I think a good plan for the neighboring states. The lack of a true flagship always hurt the SUNY system. I think the University at Albany could draw some folks from neighboring states—broad range of majors, strong grad schools, and a lot of internship opportunities being in the state capital. —former upstate NY resident

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is SUNY so unappealing to out of state applicants? This seems worth a journalist’s attention. It’s really striking how unpopular they are.

I’m in California. My theory is that there are too many SUNY schools. From here, i have a hard time distinguishing them and I feel like I’m pretty up on college degrees. They don’t differentiate the way that the UCs and CSUs do. It isn’t that they are unappealing as such. It’s that there are 64 of them. That’s a lot of schools to sort out.

They do differentiate. System set up originally with specialties. Some of that still remains. Purchase & New Paltz artsy. Cortlandt sporty. Buffalo, Stony Brook, Binghamton and Albany the anchor universities.
PP who claimed mediocre? Incorrect. Some of our finest medical doctors obtained their undergrads at Binghamton. At that price tag, money well saved for years of grad school

Californian here. They don’t really differentiate in any material way. The fact that they have multiple “anchor” schools but no flagship shows that. It’s always been a bit bizarre to me that SUNY doesn’t have the equivalent of a Cal or UM.

I think the education is likely fine and I disagree with the mediocre comment, but I do think SUNY has a structural and organizational issue that weakens the perception of the entire system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is SUNY so unappealing to out of state applicants? This seems worth a journalist’s attention. It’s really striking how unpopular they are.

I’m in California. My theory is that there are too many SUNY schools. From here, i have a hard time distinguishing them and I feel like I’m pretty up on college degrees. They don’t differentiate the way that the UCs and CSUs do. It isn’t that they are unappealing as such. It’s that there are 64 of them. That’s a lot of schools to sort out.

They do differentiate. System set up originally with specialties. Some of that still remains. Purchase & New Paltz artsy. Cortlandt sporty. Buffalo, Stony Brook, Binghamton and Albany the anchor universities.
PP who claimed mediocre? Incorrect. Some of our finest medical doctors obtained their undergrads at Binghamton. At that price tag, money well saved for years of grad school

Californian here. They don’t really differentiate in any material way. The fact that they have multiple “anchor” schools but no flagship shows that. It’s always been a bit bizarre to me that SUNY doesn’t have the equivalent of a Cal or UM.

I think the education is likely fine and I disagree with the mediocre comment, but I do think SUNY has a structural and organizational issue that weakens the perception of the entire system.

Now that Berkley is floundering, the UC system has UCLA (which is about to get a whole lot richer), UCSB, and UCSD all either equal to Berkley or close. UCLA has a real chance to pull far ahead once their funding jumps after 2024

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is SUNY so unappealing to out of state applicants? This seems worth a journalist’s attention. It’s really striking how unpopular they are.

I’m in California. My theory is that there are too many SUNY schools. From here, i have a hard time distinguishing them and I feel like I’m pretty up on college degrees. They don’t differentiate the way that the UCs and CSUs do. It isn’t that they are unappealing as such. It’s that there are 64 of them. That’s a lot of schools to sort out.

They do differentiate. System set up originally with specialties. Some of that still remains. Purchase & New Paltz artsy. Cortlandt sporty. Buffalo, Stony Brook, Binghamton and Albany the anchor universities.
PP who claimed mediocre? Incorrect. Some of our finest medical doctors obtained their undergrads at Binghamton. At that price tag, money well saved for years of grad school

Californian here. They don’t really differentiate in any material way. The fact that they have multiple “anchor” schools but no flagship shows that. It’s always been a bit bizarre to me that SUNY doesn’t have the equivalent of a Cal or UM.

I think the education is likely fine and I disagree with the mediocre comment, but I do think SUNY has a structural and organizational issue that weakens the perception of the entire system.

The SUNY campuses in upstate and western NY are big employment centers for those areas. Take away those jobs and now you have a lot of unemployed people in areas of the state that have more in common with the de-industrializing Rust Belt than they do with NYC. There's also the argument to keep those universities open - even if under-enrolled - so those people in the de-industrialized areas of NY have easy access to get skills training.

When you view the 60+ campuses from that perspective, you can see why NY wants to keep them open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is SUNY so unappealing to out of state applicants? This seems worth a journalist’s attention. It’s really striking how unpopular they are.

I’m in California. My theory is that there are too many SUNY schools. From here, i have a hard time distinguishing them and I feel like I’m pretty up on college degrees. They don’t differentiate the way that the UCs and CSUs do. It isn’t that they are unappealing as such. It’s that there are 64 of them. That’s a lot of schools to sort out.

I went to NYU and met lots of SUNY and CUNY grads by just living in the city. I can't tell any of the schools apart aside from FIT, Baruch (1st gen grinders who want to work in finance), and Stony Brook (pre-med favorite). The rest of the schools upstate need to be consolidated.

My guess is that NY is doing this in an effort to fill empty seats in those upstate schools. NY kids who grow up within 30 miles of the city don't want to go further upstate or to Western NY for college.

That's just not true. I am from LI and went to Binghamton and loved it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is SUNY so unappealing to out of state applicants? This seems worth a journalist’s attention. It’s really striking how unpopular they are.

I’m in California. My theory is that there are too many SUNY schools. From here, i have a hard time distinguishing them and I feel like I’m pretty up on college degrees. They don’t differentiate the way that the UCs and CSUs do. It isn’t that they are unappealing as such. It’s that there are 64 of them. That’s a lot of schools to sort out.

They do differentiate. System set up originally with specialties. Some of that still remains. Purchase & New Paltz artsy. Cortlandt sporty. Buffalo, Stony Brook, Binghamton and Albany the anchor universities.
PP who claimed mediocre? Incorrect. Some of our finest medical doctors obtained their undergrads at Binghamton. At that price tag, money well saved for years of grad school

Californian here. They don’t really differentiate in any material way. The fact that they have multiple “anchor” schools but no flagship shows that. It’s always been a bit bizarre to me that SUNY doesn’t have the equivalent of a Cal or UM.

I think the education is likely fine and I disagree with the mediocre comment, but I do think SUNY has a structural and organizational issue that weakens the perception of the entire system.

Now that Berkley is floundering, the UC system has UCLA (which is about to get a whole lot richer), UCSB, and UCSD all either equal to Berkley or close. UCLA has a real chance to pull far ahead once their funding jumps after 2024

Berkeley isn’t floundering by any stretch of the imagination. That’s wishful thinking. UCLA is as popular as Cal or maybe more so, but having two exceptionally good schools as flagships is different than having six schools that people out of state couldn’t find on a map as “anchors.”

Nobody considers UCSB or UCSD a flagship, sorry. Great schools, but they aren’t flagships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is SUNY so unappealing to out of state applicants? This seems worth a journalist’s attention. It’s really striking how unpopular they are.

I’m in California. My theory is that there are too many SUNY schools. From here, i have a hard time distinguishing them and I feel like I’m pretty up on college degrees. They don’t differentiate the way that the UCs and CSUs do. It isn’t that they are unappealing as such. It’s that there are 64 of them. That’s a lot of schools to sort out.

They do differentiate. System set up originally with specialties. Some of that still remains. Purchase & New Paltz artsy. Cortlandt sporty. Buffalo, Stony Brook, Binghamton and Albany the anchor universities.
PP who claimed mediocre? Incorrect. Some of our finest medical doctors obtained their undergrads at Binghamton. At that price tag, money well saved for years of grad school

Californian here. They don’t really differentiate in any material way. The fact that they have multiple “anchor” schools but no flagship shows that. It’s always been a bit bizarre to me that SUNY doesn’t have the equivalent of a Cal or UM.

I think the education is likely fine and I disagree with the mediocre comment, but I do think SUNY has a structural and organizational issue that weakens the perception of the entire system.

The SUNY campuses in upstate and western NY are big employment centers for those areas. Take away those jobs and now you have a lot of unemployed people in areas of the state that have more in common with the de-industrializing Rust Belt than they do with NYC. There's also the argument to keep those universities open - even if under-enrolled - so those people in the de-industrialized areas of NY have easy access to get skills training.

When you view the 60+ campuses from that perspective, you can see why NY wants to keep them open.

I get it, but it certainly hurts the perception of the system as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting recruiting tactic. I agree California and Illinois do not seem to fit. I think a good plan for the neighboring states. The lack of a true flagship always hurt the SUNY system. I think the University at Albany could draw some folks from neighboring states—broad range of majors, strong grad schools, and a lot of internship opportunities being in the state capital. —former upstate NY resident

I agree Albany is a great deal, as is Geneseo. Most of the others are fine, or at least have some good niche programs to speak of. This thread brought out the snobs!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting recruiting tactic. I agree California and Illinois do not seem to fit. I think a good plan for the neighboring states. The lack of a true flagship always hurt the SUNY system. I think the University at Albany could draw some folks from neighboring states—broad range of majors, strong grad schools, and a lot of internship opportunities being in the state capital. —former upstate NY resident

I agree Albany is a great deal, as is Geneseo. Most of the others are fine, or at least have some good niche programs to speak of. This thread brought out the snobs!

More just the ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is SUNY so unappealing to out of state applicants? This seems worth a journalist’s attention. It’s really striking how unpopular they are.

I’m in California. My theory is that there are too many SUNY schools. From here, i have a hard time distinguishing them and I feel like I’m pretty up on college degrees. They don’t differentiate the way that the UCs and CSUs do. It isn’t that they are unappealing as such. It’s that there are 64 of them. That’s a lot of schools to sort out.

I went to NYU and met lots of SUNY and CUNY grads by just living in the city. I can't tell any of the schools apart aside from FIT, Baruch (1st gen grinders who want to work in finance), and Stony Brook (pre-med favorite). The rest of the schools upstate need to be consolidated.

My guess is that NY is doing this in an effort to fill empty seats in those upstate schools. NY kids who grow up within 30 miles of the city don't want to go further upstate or to Western NY for college.

That's just not true. I am from LI and went to Binghamton and loved it.

100%, Binghamton is full of the smartest kids out there. Great education and career/grad school placement